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Rowe JEL stuck in play cycle
I just picked a Rowe JEL. It is in great condition, but when I picked
it up the owner powered it on and it appears to be stuck in a play cycle. I say that because the turntable is working and the gripper arm is lowered. I tried to move the tone arm simulating the record being completed but nothing happened. Nothing happens when I hit the cancel button. I have the manual and I'm thinking either the cam switches are messed up or the reed switch is bad. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Rob |
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Rowe JEL stuck in play cycle
On Dec 7, 7:45*am, Rob Blakeslee wrote:
I just picked a Rowe JEL. *It is in great condition, but when I picked it up the owner powered it on and it appears to be stuck in a play cycle. *I say that because the turntable is working and the gripper arm is lowered. *I tried to move the tone arm simulating the record being completed but nothing happened. *Nothing happens when I hit the cancel button. *I have the manual and I'm thinking either the cam switches are messed up or the reed switch is bad. *Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Rob you can try shorting out the reed switch with a piece of wire and see if that helps also check the fuses, to see if there is 24v ac AND DC power to the mechanism. |
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Rowe JEL stuck in play cycle
On Dec 6, 7:50*pm, kreed wrote:
On Dec 7, 7:45*am, Rob Blakeslee wrote: I just picked a Rowe JEL. *It is in great condition, but when I picked it up the owner powered it on and it appears to be stuck in a play cycle. *I say that because the turntable is working and the gripper arm is lowered. *I tried to move the tone arm simulating the record being completed but nothing happened. *Nothing happens when I hit the cancel button. *I have the manual and I'm thinking either the cam switches are messed up or the reed switch is bad. *Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Rob *you can try shorting out the reed switch with a piece of wire and see if that helps also check the fuses, to see if there is 24v ac AND DC power to the mechanism. Kreed, Thanks for the reply. I did check the fuses with a meter and they are all good. I also tried a piece of wire across the reed switch to get it to close and reverse the cycle, but nothing. I will have to find the voltage source and see whats going on. Are there any fuses mounted under the chassis? Thanks again, Rob |
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Rowe JEL stuck in play cycle
On Dec 7, 8:47*pm, Rob Blakeslee wrote:
On Dec 6, 7:50*pm, kreed wrote: On Dec 7, 7:45*am, Rob Blakeslee wrote: I just picked a Rowe JEL. *It is in great condition, but when I picked it up the owner powered it on and it appears to be stuck in a play cycle. *I say that because the turntable is working and the gripper arm is lowered. *I tried to move the tone arm simulating the record being completed but nothing happened. *Nothing happens when I hit the cancel button. *I have the manual and I'm thinking either the cam switches are messed up or the reed switch is bad. *Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Rob *you can try shorting out the reed switch with a piece of wire and see if that helps also check the fuses, to see if there is 24v ac AND DC power to the mechanism. Kreed, Thanks for the reply. *I did check the fuses with a meter and they are all good. *I also tried a piece of wire across the reed switch to get it to close and reverse the cycle, but nothing. *I will have to find the voltage source and see what's going on. *Are there any fuses mounted under the chassis? Thanks again, Rob No, only in the power supply - and one in the button bank (but wouldn't be related to this problem). What you need to look at is that the motor is an AC motor (unlike models prior to this) and it only goes one way The motor is simply stopped by a cam switch once it gets to the play position, everything then sits totally inert until the record finishes playing. At this point, when you press cancel (or reed sw closes) it activates the relay under the mechanism, via cam sw 3 and a 47 ohm resistor (that would be on the same plate as the relay.) I would check and replace cam sw 3, or check its alignment. If you are going to keep this machine and want it reliable, I would replace all the cam sws if they are original as they do tend to fail. Cam sw 3 is notorious for causing problems with the magazine getting to your selection and then "jumping" the magazine on to the next one. |
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Rowe JEL stuck in play cycle
On Dec 7, 9:25*pm, kreed wrote:
On Dec 7, 8:47*pm, Rob Blakeslee wrote: On Dec 6, 7:50*pm, kreed wrote: On Dec 7, 7:45*am, Rob Blakeslee wrote: I just picked a Rowe JEL. *It is in great condition, but when I picked it up the owner powered it on and it appears to be stuck in a play cycle. *I say that because the turntable is working and the gripper arm is lowered. *I tried to move the tone arm simulating the record being completed but nothing happened. *Nothing happens when I hit the cancel button. *I have the manual and I'm thinking either the cam switches are messed up or the reed switch is bad. *Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Rob *you can try shorting out the reed switch with a piece of wire and see if that helps also check the fuses, to see if there is 24v ac AND DC power to the mechanism. Kreed, Thanks for the reply. *I did check the fuses with a meter and they are all good. *I also tried a piece of wire across the reed switch to get it to close and reverse the cycle, but nothing. *I will have to find the voltage source and see what's going on. *Are there any fuses mounted under the chassis? Thanks again, Rob No, only in the power *supply - and one in the button bank (but wouldn't be related to this problem). What you need to look at is that the motor is an AC motor (unlike models prior to this) and it only goes one way The motor is simply stopped by a cam switch once it gets to the play position, everything then sits totally inert until the record finishes playing. *At this point, when you press cancel (or reed sw closes) it activates the relay under the mechanism, via cam sw 3 and a 47 ohm resistor (that would be on the same plate as the relay.) I would check and replace cam sw 3, or check its alignment. If you are going to keep this machine and want it reliable, I would replace all the cam sws if they are original as they do tend to fail. Cam sw 3 is notorious for causing problems with the magazine getting to your selection and then "jumping" the magazine on to the next one. Glad you got to these before I did. There is also a 100MFD cap w/10K res. on the mech relay coil that has a carry-over function and can cause this sort of problem. See if you can manually turn the transfer motor to jog the micro switches. This was the fist model with the 1100series changer (also the first jukebox I played in 1963) but as I found from later owning one, they had a lot of improvement to make in the next few years. Basic problem areas a Micro switches Flimsy keyboard slide contacts. They break inside the kbd assembly. The use of nylon core bobbins in the toggle shifter coil which swell up and jam the plunger. Inadequate fusing..Seeburg anyone? Flimsy record holder and a lack of guide finger to center the record for return. Poor quality chrome that peeled in just a few years. I did a fair number of mods and eliminated 3 microswitches along with using some later parts. Unfortunately, I didn't think anyone would ever be interest in these machines and did not keep any notes. Rob in NYC |
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Rowe JEL stuck in play cycle
On Dec 8, 12:52*pm, Rob in NYC wrote:
On Dec 7, 9:25*pm, kreed wrote: On Dec 7, 8:47*pm, Rob Blakeslee wrote: On Dec 6, 7:50*pm, kreed wrote: On Dec 7, 7:45*am, Rob Blakeslee wrote: I just picked a Rowe JEL. *It is in great condition, but when I picked it up the owner powered it on and it appears to be stuck in a play cycle. *I say that because the turntable is working and the gripper arm is lowered. *I tried to move the tone arm simulating the record being completed but nothing happened. *Nothing happens when I hit the cancel button. *I have the manual and I'm thinking either the cam switches are messed up or the reed switch is bad. *Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Rob *you can try shorting out the reed switch with a piece of wire and see if that helps also check the fuses, to see if there is 24v ac AND DC power to the mechanism. Kreed, Thanks for the reply. *I did check the fuses with a meter and they are all good. *I also tried a piece of wire across the reed switch to get it to close and reverse the cycle, but nothing. *I will have to find the voltage source and see what's going on. *Are there any fuses mounted under the chassis? Thanks again, Rob No, only in the power *supply - and one in the button bank (but wouldn't be related to this problem). What you need to look at is that the motor is an AC motor (unlike models prior to this) and it only goes one way The motor is simply stopped by a cam switch once it gets to the play position, everything then sits totally inert until the record finishes playing. *At this point, when you press cancel (or reed sw closes) it activates the relay under the mechanism, via cam sw 3 and a 47 ohm resistor (that would be on the same plate as the relay.) I would check and replace cam sw 3, or check its alignment. If you are going to keep this machine and want it reliable, I would replace all the cam sws if they are original as they do tend to fail. Cam sw 3 is notorious for causing problems with the magazine getting to your selection and then "jumping" the magazine on to the next one. Glad you got to these before I did. There is also a 100MFD cap w/10K res. on the mech relay coil that has a carry-over function and can cause this sort of problem. See if you can manually turn the transfer motor to jog the micro switches. *This was the fist model with the 1100series changer (also the first jukebox I played in 1963) but as I found from later owning one, they had a lot of improvement to make in the next few years. Basic problem areas a Micro switches Flimsy keyboard slide contacts. They break inside the kbd assembly. The use of nylon core bobbins in the toggle shifter coil which swell up and jam the plunger. Inadequate fusing..Seeburg anyone? Flimsy record holder and a lack of guide finger to center the record for return. Poor quality chrome that peeled in just a few years. I did a fair number of mods and eliminated 3 microswitches along with using some later parts. Unfortunately, I didn't think anyone would ever be interest in these machines and did not keep any notes. Rob in NYC That is true. On the later US imported models (seen from about 1972 on when the Australian AMI licensed manufacturer National-Ami closed down) they managed to eliminate many of the micro switches greatly reducing the parts count by adding diodes to the circuit. I'm pretty sure that these models had a thinner nylon cam (blue colour) and only one stack of cam switches rather than 2. I remember that when overhauling all the 1960's machines we added a diode across CSW 3 in order to eliminate the "magazine skip" problem but didn't go any further with circuit improvements as you did. We did investigate and do groundwork on refitting these EM machines with a solid state controller for reliability, but when the CD models came out, used R-84's and upward dropped dramatically in price, and we instead upgraded to these as they were a very robust and reliable machine. We still used a US made TI-2 and MM4 on location until the early 1990's and I don't recall ever having any mechanism problems with either of them. They just worked and worked and worked smoothly. The TI was actually on a high earning location, and for some reason they didn't want to get rid of it. |
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Rowe JEL stuck in play cycle
On Dec 7, 9:25*pm, kreed wrote:
On Dec 7, 8:47*pm, Rob Blakeslee wrote: On Dec 6, 7:50*pm, kreed wrote: On Dec 7, 7:45*am, Rob Blakeslee wrote: I just picked a Rowe JEL. *It is in great condition, but when I picked it up the owner powered it on and it appears to be stuck in a play cycle. *I say that because the turntable is working and the gripper arm is lowered. *I tried to move the tone arm simulating the record being completed but nothing happened. *Nothing happens when I hit the cancel button. *I have the manual and I'm thinking either the cam switches are messed up or the reed switch is bad. *Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Rob *you can try shorting out the reed switch with a piece of wire and see if that helps also check the fuses, to see if there is 24v ac AND DC power to the mechanism. Kreed, Thanks for the reply. *I did check the fuses with a meter and they are all good. *I also tried a piece of wire across the reed switch to get it to close and reverse the cycle, but nothing. *I will have to find the voltage source and see what's going on. *Are there any fuses mounted under the chassis? Thanks again, Rob No, only in the power *supply - and one in the button bank (but wouldn't be related to this problem). What you need to look at is that the motor is an AC motor (unlike models prior to this) and it only goes one way The motor is simply stopped by a cam switch once it gets to the play position, everything then sits totally inert until the record finishes playing. *At this point, when you press cancel (or reed sw closes) it activates the relay under the mechanism, via cam sw 3 and a 47 ohm resistor (that would be on the same plate as the relay.) I would check and replace cam sw 3, or check its alignment. If you are going to keep this machine and want it reliable, I would replace all the cam sws if they are original as they do tend to fail. Cam sw 3 is notorious for causing problems with the magazine getting to your selection and then "jumping" the magazine on to the next one. kreed, I have looked in the manual and don't see a drawing that clearly labels the cam switches. Am I missing something? Which one is cam switch 3? Thanks again, Rob |
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Rowe JEL stuck in play cycle
On Dec 13, 10:15*pm, Rob Blakeslee wrote:
On Dec 7, 9:25*pm, kreed wrote: On Dec 7, 8:47*pm, Rob Blakeslee wrote: On Dec 6, 7:50*pm, kreed wrote: On Dec 7, 7:45*am, Rob Blakeslee wrote: I just picked a Rowe JEL. *It is in great condition, but when I picked it up the owner powered it on and it appears to be stuck in a play cycle. *I say that because the turntable is working and the gripper arm is lowered. *I tried to move the tone arm simulating the record being completed but nothing happened. *Nothing happens when I hit the cancel button. *I have the manual and I'm thinking either the cam switches are messed up or the reed switch is bad. *Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Rob *you can try shorting out the reed switch with a piece of wire and see if that helps also check the fuses, to see if there is 24v ac AND DC power to the mechanism. Kreed, Thanks for the reply. *I did check the fuses with a meter and they are all good. *I also tried a piece of wire across the reed switch to get it to close and reverse the cycle, but nothing. *I will have to find the voltage source and see what's going on. *Are there any fuses mounted under the chassis? Thanks again, Rob No, only in the power *supply - and one in the button bank (but wouldn't be related to this problem). What you need to look at is that the motor is an AC motor (unlike models prior to this) and it only goes one way The motor is simply stopped by a cam switch once it gets to the play position, everything then sits totally inert until the record finishes playing. *At this point, when you press cancel (or reed sw closes) it activates the relay under the mechanism, via cam sw 3 and a 47 ohm resistor (that would be on the same plate as the relay.) I would check and replace cam sw 3, or check its alignment. If you are going to keep this machine and want it reliable, I would replace all the cam sws if they are original as they do tend to fail. Cam sw 3 is notorious for causing problems with the magazine getting to your selection and then "jumping" the magazine on to the next one. kreed, I have looked in the manual and don't see a drawing that clearly labels the cam switches. *Am I missing something? *Which one is cam switch 3? Thanks again, Rob Inner plate - top rear switch. There are small numbers stamped on the plate near each switch to identify it. |
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Rowe JEL stuck in play cycle
On Dec 13, 9:04*am, kreed wrote:
On Dec 13, 10:15*pm, Rob Blakeslee wrote: On Dec 7, 9:25*pm, kreed wrote: On Dec 7, 8:47*pm, Rob Blakeslee wrote: On Dec 6, 7:50*pm, kreed wrote: On Dec 7, 7:45*am, Rob Blakeslee wrote: I just picked a Rowe JEL. *It is in great condition, but when I picked it up the owner powered it on and it appears to be stuck in a play cycle. *I say that because the turntable is working and the gripper arm is lowered. *I tried to move the tone arm simulating the record being completed but nothing happened. *Nothing happens when I hit the cancel button. *I have the manual and I'm thinking either the cam switches are messed up or the reed switch is bad. *Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Rob *you can try shorting out the reed switch with a piece of wire and see if that helps also check the fuses, to see if there is 24v ac AND DC power to the mechanism. Kreed, Thanks for the reply. *I did check the fuses with a meter and they are all good. *I also tried a piece of wire across the reed switch to get it to close and reverse the cycle, but nothing. *I will have to find the voltage source and see what's going on. *Are there any fuses mounted under the chassis? Thanks again, Rob No, only in the power *supply - and one in the button bank (but wouldn't be related to this problem). What you need to look at is that the motor is an AC motor (unlike models prior to this) and it only goes one way The motor is simply stopped by a cam switch once it gets to the play position, everything then sits totally inert until the record finishes playing. *At this point, when you press cancel (or reed sw closes) it activates the relay under the mechanism, via cam sw 3 and a 47 ohm resistor (that would be on the same plate as the relay.) I would check and replace cam sw 3, or check its alignment. If you are going to keep this machine and want it reliable, I would replace all the cam sws if they are original as they do tend to fail. Cam sw 3 is notorious for causing problems with the magazine getting to your selection and then "jumping" the magazine on to the next one. kreed, I have looked in the manual and don't see a drawing that clearly labels the cam switches. *Am I missing something? *Which one is cam switch 3? Thanks again, Rob Inner plate - top rear switch. *There are small numbers stamped on the plate near each switch to identify it. kreed, Thanks again !! I'll have to check it out and get some better lighting setup in my garage. |
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On Dec 7 2010, 9:52*pm, Rob in NYC wrote:
On Dec 7, 9:25*pm, kreed wrote: On Dec 7, 8:47*pm, Rob Blakeslee wrote: On Dec 6, 7:50*pm, kreed wrote: On Dec 7, 7:45*am, Rob Blakeslee wrote: I just picked aRoweJEL. *It is in great condition, but when I picked it up the owner powered it on and it appears to be stuck in a play cycle. *I say that because the turntable is working and the gripper arm is lowered. *I tried to move the tone arm simulating the record being completed but nothing happened. *Nothing happens when I hit the cancel button. *I have the manual and I'm thinking either the cam switches are messed up or the reed switch is bad. *Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Rob *you can try shorting out the reed switch with a piece of wire and see if that helps also check the fuses, to see if there is 24v ac AND DC power to the mechanism. Kreed, Thanks for the reply. *I did check the fuses with a meter and they are all good. *I also tried a piece of wire across the reed switch to get it to close and reverse the cycle, but nothing. *I will have to find the voltage source and see what's going on. *Are there any fuses mounted under the chassis? Thanks again, Rob No, only in the power *supply - and one in the button bank (but wouldn't be related to this problem). What you need to look at is that the motor is an AC motor (unlike models prior to this) and it only goes one way The motor is simply stopped by a cam switch once it gets to the play position, everything then sits totally inert until the record finishes playing. *At this point, when you press cancel (or reed sw closes) it activates the relay under the mechanism, via cam sw 3 and a 47 ohm resistor (that would be on the same plate as the relay.) I would check and replace cam sw 3, or check its alignment. If you are going to keep this machine and want it reliable, I would replace all the cam sws if they are original as they do tend to fail. Cam sw 3 is notorious for causing problems with the magazine getting to your selection and then "jumping" the magazine on to the next one. Glad you got to these before I did. There is also a 100MFD cap w/10K res. on the mech relay coil that has a carry-over function and can cause this sort of problem. See if you can manually turn the transfer motor to jog the micro switches. *This was the fist model with the 1100series changer (also the first jukebox I played in 1963) but as I found from later owning one, they had a lot of improvement to make in the next few years. Basic problem areas a Micro switches Flimsy keyboard slide contacts. They break inside the kbd assembly. The use of nylon core bobbins in the toggle shifter coil which swell up and jam the plunger. Inadequate fusing..Seeburg anyone? Flimsy record holder and a lack of guide finger to center the record for return. Poor quality chrome that peeled in just a few years. I did a fair number of mods and eliminated 3 microswitches along with using some later parts. Unfortunately, I didn't think anyone would ever be interest in these machines and did not keep any notes. Rob in NYC Rob, How can you manually turn the transfer motor? I've got a bent blade on the control relay, but when I push the blade in the transfer motor is getting 28v ac and the small gear on the motor is engaging but nothing else is moving. Thanks for you help!! Rob |
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