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Old March 19th 04, 07:27 PM
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...emission of the same variety, was in all likelihood minted to build up
the Hellenic navy in preparation for the anticipated Persian invasion,
which would take place in 480 BC and which would determine the
subsequent course of Western history. The Greeks defeated the Persian
fleet at Salamis in a battle that has been called the "supreme
confrontation between East and West," between despotism and individual
freedoms (Hanson).


I remember a bit about this from Classics. I bet it's nice to have
some archaeological artefact that could have witnessed these events at
first hand in your possession!


Afterward, the Greeks for the first time formed a formal allegiance of
the various Greek city-states (the Delian League) and were able to
continue their unprecedented experimentation with individualism and
democracy. This ushered in the golden age of ancient Greece, the
thinking of men such as Socrates, Plato, and Aristotle, and the
genesis of Western science, philosophy, and civilization.


And i vaguely remember a mention of the Delian League too! The triumph
of Democracy... and three great philosopher's in a row.

Great write up, coinwise looks like you got a good un!

Sylvester.

Specialising in sixpences 1674-1694 and King Stephen pennies
1135-1154.
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Old March 19th 04, 07:29 PM
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Reid wrote:

"You and Anka have evolved into conjoined twins. You both would rather be
sarcastic and snipe away than actually contribute something useful to the
conversation."


ahem

Correction...

I was being sarcastic. And if I know Michael, he was dead serious.


Anka ---- looking forward to an article on Athenian owls ;-)


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Old March 19th 04, 07:31 PM
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Your story was a fantastic read. I thoroughly enjoyed it. Thanks for
taking the time to share...

My latest purchase:
http://www.cngcoins.com/coin.asp?ITE...TEM_ENLARGED=1

-DrZ


I like that king James Coin! i keep meaning to buy some hammered gold
one day, but i'm afraid these keep getting in the way...

http://www.historyincoins.com/xxx-15-3-4-3.jpg

Soon to be mine... my precious!

Sylvester.

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Old March 19th 04, 07:35 PM
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Now, now... a little Christian caritas required you to allow him to
make sure that it was not James II, just in case... I agree that it
is easy to assume that he did not have a clue until he googled it, but
patience means suffering, which we all do gladly to save the lost.



Hammered coins ceased to be produced in 1662, and milled coins finally
took over. James II reigned 1685-1688 so all his coins would thus be
milled, so Reid was right. Talking of James II, his gold coins look a
little more like this...

http://www.tclayton.demon.co.uk/pics/hsov.html


Sylvester.

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Old March 19th 04, 07:42 PM
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I mentioned something I read about James I after what I characterized
as a "quick search." Maybe what I posted was wrong. I don't know the
history of England during the 16/17th centuries well at all. Instead
of sarcasm and sniping, a much more constructive approach would be to
provide correct information, if indeed what I posted was incorrect.



I think it's safe to say you were correct on your English history
posts there.

Sylvester.

Specialising in Sixpences 1674-1694, King Stephen pennies and from
this very minute James II half guineas 1686-1688.
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Old March 19th 04, 08:17 PM
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Sylvester I like the link to the Edward VII coin especially the reverse
of the coin with the slaying of the dragon, totally cool! Ed

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Old March 19th 04, 08:51 PM
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On 19 Mar 2004 10:35:15 -0800, (The Silver
Jar...) wrote:

Hammered coins ceased to be produced in 1662, and milled coins finally
took over. James II reigned 1685-1688 so all his coins would thus be
milled, so Reid was right. Talking of James II, his gold coins look a
little more like this...

http://www.tclayton.demon.co.uk/pics/hsov.html

It's not clear what point or points Anka and Michael were trying to
make in this thread. They don't speak directly. It has only been
sarcasm and innuendo and negativity. DrZ's coin is an interesting one.
Wouldn't it be something if Anka and Michael contributed something
*constructive* to deepen the interest in this coin?

Hey, Dr. Z. You still there? I got my latest gold coin in the mail
today. It's pictured here, the last one:

http://rg.cointalk.org/misc/Alex_staters.html

It's not as large as yours and maybe not as impressive in other ways
either, but it's interesting in its way. For one thing, it's even
*weirder* looking in person than on screen. It has very pronounced
edge lips, something I guess like an Ultra High Relief Saint, on both
obverse and reverse. But the relatively flat relief of the coin's
devices sit deeply within the raised lips. One of the weirdest things
I've ever seen on a coin. If I checked, though, I suspect a number of
other coins throughout the ages have been minted this way. I just
don't remember seeing any.

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Old March 19th 04, 09:12 PM
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On 19 Mar 2004 10:27:14 -0800, (The Silver
Jar...) wrote:

...emission of the same variety, was in all likelihood minted to build up
the Hellenic navy in preparation for the anticipated Persian invasion,
which would take place in 480 BC and which would determine the
subsequent course of Western history. The Greeks defeated the Persian
fleet at Salamis in a battle that has been called the "supreme
confrontation between East and West," between despotism and individual
freedoms (Hanson).


I remember a bit about this from Classics. I bet it's nice to have
some archaeological artefact that could have witnessed these events at
first hand in your possession!


Yep. History in your hand. g The quote that the Battle of Salamis
between the Greeks and the Persians was the "supreme confrontation
between East and West," between despotism and individual freedoms,
came from Victor David Hanson. I don't know if this was one of the
"six major errors" Michael Marotta was referring to or not, since he
characteristically wasn't clear.

I also don't know if I completely agree with Hanson here, though I'd
have to say I agree for the most part, granting him, perhaps, a little
hyperbole. Hanson teaches classics at California State University at
Fresno and is the author of a number of books on this and related
subjects, including Who Killed Homer?, The Other Greeks, and The
Western Way of War, though I'm not one to hold up credentials as
irrefutable authority. It was -- the battle that my coin was minted
for -- one of the epochal moments in history.

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Old March 19th 04, 10:27 PM
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Dave Parrish will like it, a lot. Billy


Reid Goldsborough wrote:

On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 17:32:24 -0500, "DoctorZ" wrote:

Your story was a fantastic read. I thoroughly enjoyed it. Thanks for
taking the time to share...

My latest purchase:
http://www.cngcoins.com/coin.asp?ITE...TEM_ENLARGED=1


I'm tempted to say something nice about your new purchase because of
your nice words to me. But I have to be honest here. Your coin is
spectacular, and I'm not saying that just to be nice. g Really.

Even though these coins aren't my area, here's what I like about it:
1) It's gold, and it gold has a timeless allure. 2) It's beautifully
toned for a gold coin, with the darker recesses nicely accentuating
the coin's age. 3) It's big, very big, for a gold coin, at 39 mm, and
though undoubtedly thin at 8.65 grams, the thinness doesn't strike me
as detracting from the coin's dimensional impressiveness. 4) Its style
is very cool, very kingly, very royal, both obverse and reverse. 5)
There are no unaesthetic indications of it's being ex-jewelry, and
though I don't know the market for these coins, as ex-jewelry, you
undoubtedly got a deal on it. 6) As a VF, all of the design elements
are present, and the coin's moderate wear also doesn't detract from
the impressiveness of the design. 7) The history is very cool -- a
quick search indicates that James I was the guy who sponsored the King
James Bible -- it's named after him -- and James I had some
interesting ideas about the divine rights of kings.

Congrats on your purchase. Can I have it?

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