Isle of Man penny of Sihtric?

Over at the Bay State show today, I had a very interesting discussion
with an Irish coin specialist, Del Parker, and I learned for the first
time that there's a silver penny struck at the Isle of Man in the 11th
C. imitating the Irish penny of the Sihtric type. I happen to have a
Sihtric penny of the right period with the tiny dots on the reverse,
the quatrefoil on the obverse, and the general degradation of the legend
into mainly a series of I's. I'm wondering how I can tell for sure if
it's Manx (I really expect it isn't!). Does anyone here know the
distinguishing features of the Manx 11th century penny? The Spink 2003
catalog isn't very clear about this. With many thanks for any help...

- Jim

(e-mailers please remove all z's from my address.)

Jim Roberts wrote:
Over at the Bay State show today, I had a very interesting discussion
with an Irish coin specialist, Del Parker, and I learned for the first
time that there's a silver penny struck at the Isle of Man in the 11th
C. imitating the Irish penny of the Sihtric type. I happen to have a
Sihtric penny of the right period with the tiny dots on the reverse,
the quatrefoil on the obverse, and the general degradation of the legend
into mainly a series of I's. I'm wondering how I can tell for sure if
it's Manx (I really expect it isn't!). Does anyone here know the
distinguishing features of the Manx 11th century penny? The Spink 2003
catalog isn't very clear about this. With many thanks for any help...

- Jim

(e-mailers please remove all z's from my address.)

Coincraft's `Standard Catalogue of Scotland, Ireland, Channel Islands
and Isle of Man' has but one entry in the hammered section, so it's
relatively easy to ascertain that this must be the item you are
referring to. :-)

here is the entry in its entirety:

Isle of Man : Hiberno - Manx issue

This issue was struck between 1025 and 1035 AD. The only denomination
struck was the penny and the style was greatly influenced by the Hiberno
-Norse issues of Ireland which in turn copied the design from the
English Aethelred II long cross penny.

This issue is very crude in style and should not be confused with issues
of Ireland and England; the Hiberno - Manx penny has crude blundered
legends, a cruder style bust and minor marks of design which
differentiate it.

Hiberno - Manx Penny (1025 -1035)

Collecting Hints - This issue is extremely rare, although several coins
have come on the market in the last few years.

obverse legend : Blundered legend
reverse legend : Blundered legend

Obverse: crude bust of the king facing right, a quatrefoil at the
beginning of the legend, sometimes a quatrefoil on the king's neck, four
pellets usually behind the king's head

reverse: voided long cross. a small pellet in each quarter.

Ian wrote:

Jim Roberts wrote:
Over at the Bay State show today, I had a very interesting discussion
with an Irish coin specialist, Del Parker, and I learned for the first
time that there's a silver penny struck at the Isle of Man in the 11th
C. imitating the Irish penny of the Sihtric type. I happen to have a
Sihtric penny of the right period with the tiny dots on the reverse,
the quatrefoil on the obverse, and the general degradation of the legend
into mainly a series of I's. I'm wondering how I can tell for sure if
it's Manx (I really expect it isn't!). Does anyone here know the
distinguishing features of the Manx 11th century penny? The Spink 2003
catalog isn't very clear about this. With many thanks for any help...

Coincraft's `Standard Catalogue of Scotland, Ireland, Channel Islands
and Isle of Man' has but one entry in the hammered section, so it's
relatively easy to ascertain that this must be the item you are
referring to. :-)

here is the entry in its entirety:

Isle of Man : Hiberno - Manx issue

This issue was struck between 1025 and 1035 AD. The only denomination
struck was the penny and the style was greatly influenced by the
Hiberno-Norse issues of Ireland which in turn copied the design
from the English Aethelred II long cross penny.

This issue is very crude in style and should not be confused with issues
of Ireland and England; the Hiberno - Manx penny has crude blundered
legends, a cruder style bust and minor marks of design which
differentiate it.

Hiberno - Manx Penny (1025 -1035)

Collecting Hints - This issue is extremely rare, although several
coins have come on the market in the last few years.

obverse legend : Blundered legend
reverse legend : Blundered legend

Obverse: crude bust of the king facing right, a quatrefoil at the
beginning of the legend, sometimes a quatrefoil on the king's neck,
four pellets usually behind the king's head

reverse: voided long cross. a small pellet in each quarter.

Yes, thanks Ian. That's the one. On my coin the "four pellets" that
are behind the head look quite a bit like a quatrefoil, so I thought I
might be in business. But apparently the coin has to have a quatrefoil
at the start of the inscription to be Manx, and mine has a cross there.
At least now I know what to look for. So thanks again...

- Jim

Hi Ian,
write me at
Kyle.

Jim Roberts wrote:
Ian wrote:

Jim Roberts wrote:
Over at the Bay State show today, I had a very interesting discussion
with an Irish coin specialist, Del Parker, and I learned for the first
time that there's a silver penny struck at the Isle of Man in the 11th
C. imitating the Irish penny of the Sihtric type. I happen to have a
Sihtric penny of the right period with the tiny dots on the reverse,
the quatrefoil on the obverse, and the general degradation of the legend
into mainly a series of I's. I'm wondering how I can tell for sure if
it's Manx (I really expect it isn't!). Does anyone here know the
distinguishing features of the Manx 11th century penny? The Spink 2003
catalog isn't very clear about this. With many thanks for any help...
Coincraft's `Standard Catalogue of Scotland, Ireland, Channel Islands
and Isle of Man' has but one entry in the hammered section, so it's
relatively easy to ascertain that this must be the item you are
referring to. :-)

here is the entry in its entirety:

Isle of Man : Hiberno - Manx issue

This issue was struck between 1025 and 1035 AD. The only denomination
struck was the penny and the style was greatly influenced by the
Hiberno-Norse issues of Ireland which in turn copied the design
from the English Aethelred II long cross penny.

This issue is very crude in style and should not be confused with issues
of Ireland and England; the Hiberno - Manx penny has crude blundered
legends, a cruder style bust and minor marks of design which
differentiate it.

Hiberno - Manx Penny (1025 -1035)

Collecting Hints - This issue is extremely rare, although several
coins have come on the market in the last few years.

obverse legend : Blundered legend
reverse legend : Blundered legend

Obverse: crude bust of the king facing right, a quatrefoil at the
beginning of the legend, sometimes a quatrefoil on the king's neck,
four pellets usually behind the king's head

reverse: voided long cross. a small pellet in each quarter.

Yes, thanks Ian. That's the one. On my coin the "four pellets" that
are behind the head look quite a bit like a quatrefoil, so I thought I
might be in business. But apparently the coin has to have a quatrefoil
at the start of the inscription to be Manx, and mine has a cross there.
At least now I know what to look for. So thanks again...

- Jim


Jim,

If you can send me a scan i'll do my best to get it verified one way ofr
the other.

Ian

Kyle Mutcher wrote:
Hi Ian,
write me at
Kyle.


Hi Kyle,

Did so. Did you get my email?

Ian