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Frank wrote: Many of these "burned" people will never buy coins again,
removing them forever from the pool of collectors. snip When I was new to collecting coins I made mistakes and got burned for hundreds of dollars. You live and learn and then you move on wiser and a bit poorer. If you really enjoy collecting coins I don't think getting burned will drive you away forever from the hobby. Collecting is in the blood. Ed |
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jjs wrote: "Heather G." wrote in message ... [...] Here in NYC you can buy a Rolex for $30 in Chinatown My gosh, that's 300% retail! You can find a fake Rolex for about $11 and the middleman is making 50%. Funny how they are still better than a Timex. Use them for the life of the battery then throw it away. I haven't found a Rolex, but I have found "Tag Heuer", "Movado", "Gucci" and many others in NYC for even less than $11. I sold most of them for a minimum $40. The rest I wore until the battery died. |
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Walter wrote:
jjs wrote: "Heather G." wrote in message ... [...] Here in NYC you can buy a Rolex for $30 in Chinatown My gosh, that's 300% retail! You can find a fake Rolex for about $11 and the middleman is making 50%. Funny how they are still better than a Timex. Use them for the life of the battery then throw it away. I haven't found a Rolex, but I have found "Tag Heuer", "Movado", "Gucci" and many others in NYC for even less than $11. I sold most of them for a minimum $40. The rest I wore until the battery died. Our caver's wrist sundials completely eliminate any need for Rolex. -- Many thanks, Don Lancaster Synergetics 3860 West First Street Box 809 Thatcher, AZ 85552 voice: (928)428-4073 email: Please visit my GURU's LAIR web site at http://www.tinaja.com |
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Jesse wrote: "Michael Ng" wrote in news:G0jMd.16026$mt.12307@fed1read03: They could make a huge dent in this problem by simply not allowing Asians to sell coins outside of Asia unless,say, they have a FB profile of 50 and above with 99% +. That will never happen since it would effect ebays bottom line negatively. I'd like to see the feds step in and nail ebay for aiding and abetting counterfeiters and forgers. As a buyer, the old adage 'if it seems to good to be true, it probably is' is very valid here - And any seller originating in Asia should immediately raise a flag - Though as you say theres bound to be a trickle effect here, and bogus sellers could be just about anywhere. Your just not going to find to many Capped Busts in MS condition in the $50 Being Asian, I find your statement highly prejudicial. Mike I call em as I see em - And I'm not about to whitewash a well known tendancy within the numismatic community to be politically correct. Everyone knows the vast majority of counterfeit coins come from Asia - China, Singapore, Honk Kong, Malaysia ect. Is that something you think that should just be ignored just because you happen to be Asian ? I would not buy a coin on ebay from Asia if my life depended on it - And it always amazes me that these scam artists are able to draw in sucker after sucker with their fake crap. If any USA based seller tried that on the same scale, they'd have the Secret Service knocking down their door quicker than you can say ****. The region has a well deserved reputation for bootlegging everything under the sun, and things are certainly not going to improve with attitudes like yours. Jesse, Of course, the issue can't be ignored. Counterfeits are a major problem in Asia. Not just in coins, but in jewelry, handbags,bootlegged movies, etc. There is no doubt about that. I wouldn't buy anything expensive in China myself, even though I'm Chinese. However, people do buy these fakes just for the "look", and I really have no problems with that. The statement you are making, however, is not pointing to certain specific examples, but an overall generalization of Asians. You're bsaically stating that all Asians cannot be trusted when selling goods. Everybody has his own prejudice, whether it's from word-of-mouth or cultural experience. Off the subject, do you know that the U.S. is probably the most politically-correct nation? In Japan, they have work-related age discrimination/limits. In china, they probably have the same thing. Anyhow, ... Furthermore, I find your original statement insufficient on two matters. #1 -- are you implying that Asians who sell fake goods can sell such goods to other Asians all they want? #2 -- Many people of at least average intelligence buy Asian goods, knowing that they are fakes. Having said this, an Asian seller who sells goods to people can easily have feedback of 50+ with 99.5% without much problem. Anyway, that's my rant. Mike |
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I don't hold the VFW responsible for any mischief perpetrated by
non-members conducting business on its premises, nor did I imply that I do. Thank you for your service to our country, BrotherBart. Whooosh! I was doing a take-off on the Asian guys remark. |
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Our caver's wrist sundials completely eliminate any need for Rolex.
No good in Manhattan Don. Or Seattle for that matter. No sun. |
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"jjs" wrote in :
"Jesse" wrote in message ... "Michael Ng" wrote in news:G0jMd.16026$mt.12307@fed1read03: Being Asian, I find your statement highly prejudicial. I call em as I see em - You paint with a rather large brush, Jesse. Asia is a huge territory. I would agree upon the counterfeit coins point, and would add ripped-DVDs to the list. But there are some Chinese sellers with good deals on China-only merchandise. My useless proposal was for ebay to ban Asians [from Asia] from selling coins until they reach a certain reputable feedback status. I can see how such a policy would be fraught with complications. As I said, ebay will not do a thing besides pay lip service until they are forced to do so by U.S. law. [...] If any USA based seller tried that on the same scale, they'd have the Secret Service knocking down their door quicker than you can say ****. Not if the USA citizen was selling counterfeit antique Chinese money. See how it works? Lets be realistic here. How big of a market to you suppose old fake Chinese coins would create - When in fact if such a market existed on a large scale, the cons would certainly be out of the woodwork and doing it already. |
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On Thu, 03 Feb 2005 02:29:47 GMT, "Frank Provasek"
wrote: [snip] There are also far too numerous offerings of gold coins of various sorts, for example, where way down inside the description text it might say "repro" or "replica" ... not downright illegal, but look at how many people are bidding $50 and up for a trinket which must cost $0.50 (at most) to produce. Sometimes the come-on is something like "24 KARAT GOLD LEAF ..." or something like that. Needless to say, the origin of these crooks could be in Asia, but might just as well be in Europe or South America -- or even Texas! The problem with feedback is that it can easily become (already is) a racket. You get a couple of people with two or three computers, a bunch of different e-mail addresses, and each gives the other 50+ feedbacks. Already you are an "established eBay-er" overnight. And it is pretty hard to track them down. There is a sucker born every day. Caveat emptor, I say. -- Bob Hairgrove |
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BrotherBart wrote:
Our caver's wrist sundials completely eliminate any need for Rolex. No good in Manhattan Don. Or Seattle for that matter. No sun. Works off your carbide lamp. -- Many thanks, Don Lancaster Synergetics 3860 West First Street Box 809 Thatcher, AZ 85552 voice: (928)428-4073 email: Please visit my GURU's LAIR web site at http://www.tinaja.com |
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