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Scott Russia no mentoin of CTO
I'm not sure that the Australian 5/- Bridge sells for more CTO than
for VFU. I'd be glad to swap a CTO copy for a VFU copy, if anyone has one to offer ... On the broader question of CTOs, though: they can have a place, even for the philatelic purist. Take this pair of cancelled copies of Sirmoor SG 3 http://cjoint.com/?dfkUejs3W7 The left-hand copy is CTO, the right-hand copy is postally used, towards the end of the life of the Sirmoor PO. As these stamps were originally created to meet philatelic demand for the long obsolete first issue of Sirmoor (and the original stones having been lost, the design - mock perforations and all - was copied from a dealer's catalogue), it seems rather fitting that they should be represented by a CTO copy. It's just as fitting to represent them by a second copy, postmarked in the last philatelic months of Sirmoor, as all the old leftovers were being used up. Of course, if you held a gun to my head and demanded I choose one or the other, the answer would be obvious. Tony |
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Scott Russia no mentoin of CTO
"Rein" Rodney, not all CTO's enjoy the same print route. Your beloved Romanian ones had a truely printed "CDS" in the same method as the other colours of the stamp: photogravure! I thought so Rein, but I hadn't studied them under microscope. I love them, preferably in blocks of 4 with a legible post office other than Bucuresti! Whaaaaat!? Have you taken leave of your senses? Also the USSR and Bulgaria had these photogravure printed delicatessen! Occasionally other countries have the same type of CTO like Kenya or Switzerland [although the majority I have seen so far had the Heidelberg typographed CDS's].... groetjes, Rein If you admire Romania print-ons, may I suggest a foray into Cinderella collecting? It's made for you Maybe some Dune stamps? Op Fri, 05 Mar 2010 05:33:52 +0100 schreef rodney iprimus.com.au "pookiethai"@NOSPAM: Hi Alfred, The Australian CTO fetches higher prices due to condition and scarcity. CTO's are not "remainders" per se, but I treat them as such Excess printings made for the public, (and why not?) Remainders were excess issues marked in preference to burning them like Pitcairn and others through time. Some CTO's were so printed for collectors, as was the Australian, so the less fortunate could still own quality sets. Whatever you call it, they enjoy the same print route as the original, but are made lazy as they are prevented from work. Prejudice lives with the collector, one doen't have to join the majority. Some time ago, the "Philatelic elite" considered covers included in an exhibit were "padding" the resulting corollory was that people were soaking stamps off cover. Some time in the future we may see the folly of collecting gum. If your Malay expert continues to sell at FU price, then one must expect he is being successful. I personally have no prejudice with CTO's excepting those countries that produce issues with what looks like "printed on" cancellations, Romania being the biggest offender, The cancellations look crass. Rodney "Alfred Lee" wrote in message ... Despite the prevalent prejudice of CTO remainders, I wonder if the term CTO always mean 'remainders'? Australian Roo's and the 5/- Sydney Harbor bridge fetches a higher price when CTO, compared to a VFU piece. For North Borneo, there is a renowned philatelist, a Malay expert, who almost always try to sell us CTO remainders at FU price. Yes, he's been doing it since i was a teenager. My daughter will be a teen in a few years time. His name? P. S***er. alfred wrote in message ... This has been a wonderment of mine for some time. Unless I missing something, Scott Catalog makes no mention of CTO's in their Russia section. Of course, I only have the Classic cat., but you'd think, with the majority of used being CTO, they'd say something of the value. Scott says in numerous places and cases that postally used are considerable more valulable, but not for Russia. Any thoughts on this. Wolf-==- -- Gemaakt met Opera's revolutionaire e-mailprogramma: http://www.opera.com/mail/ |
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Scott Russia no mentoin of CTO
Very nice Tony, I have purloined your scan for my records. So how are the perfs recorded in Gibbons? 14 and 12 x 14 and 13.5? hehehe I see this obsession with the obtuse still grips you. "Asia-translation" wrote in message ... I'm not sure that the Australian 5/- Bridge sells for more CTO than for VFU. I'd be glad to swap a CTO copy for a VFU copy, if anyone has one to offer ... On the broader question of CTOs, though: they can have a place, even for the philatelic purist. Take this pair of cancelled copies of Sirmoor SG 3 http://cjoint.com/?dfkUejs3W7 The left-hand copy is CTO, the right-hand copy is postally used, towards the end of the life of the Sirmoor PO. As these stamps were originally created to meet philatelic demand for the long obsolete first issue of Sirmoor (and the original stones having been lost, the design - mock perforations and all - was copied from a dealer's catalogue), it seems rather fitting that they should be represented by a CTO copy. It's just as fitting to represent them by a second copy, postmarked in the last philatelic months of Sirmoor, as all the old leftovers were being used up. Of course, if you held a gun to my head and demanded I choose one or the other, the answer would be obvious. Tony |
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Scott Russia no mentoin of CTO
On Mar 6, 7:07*pm, "rodney" pookiethai@NOSPAM iprimus.com.au wrote:
Very nice Tony, *I have purloined your scan for my records. So how are the perfs recorded in Gibbons? *14 and 12 x 14 and 13.5? hehehe I see this obsession with the obtuse still grips you. Now, Rodney, don't get me started again. Bad for my blood pressure. Tony |
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Scott Russia no mentoin of CTO
Op Sat, 06 Mar 2010 08:59:49 +0100 schreef rodney iprimus.com.au
"pookiethai"@NOSPAM: "Rein" It's made for you Maybe some Dune stamps? Rod, Certainly, as I can get it clear whether they had been printed in the PWPW in Warszawa or by the State Printers in Bucuresti That would be most interesting! Just like a lot of Nicaraguan, Vietnamese, Guinese, etc stamps had been CTO printed in Habana - offset-litho though! groetjes, Rein -- Gemaakt met Opera's revolutionaire e-mailprogramma: http://www.opera.com/mail/ |
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Scott Russia no mentoin of CTO
That's surprising Tony,
I thought you could easily manage an upstart. So, perhaps you need to engage and join a "health club" like mysself, albeit mine is more like an "unhealthy club" I thought ten press ups would be a snip. I really think some weird aliens have landed, and I have been hit with a memory reducing ray, and a flab gun. "Asia-translation" Now, Rodney, don't get me started again. Bad for my blood pressure. Tony |
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Scott Russia no mentoin of CTO
hahahah
"Asia-translation" My body is a fun park, too, Rodney, but at my age, the rides are running a bit slower. Don't want to risk bursting a boiler in the hydraulics that keep the place going. I think I will stick to thinking happy thoughts only. T |
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Scott Russia no mentoin of CTO
On Mar 7, 2:57*pm, "rodney" pookiethai@NOSPAM iprimus.com.au wrote:
That's surprising Tony, I thought you could easily manage an upstart. So, perhaps you need to engage and join a "health club" like mysself, albeit mine is more like an "unhealthy club" I thought ten press ups would be a snip. I really think some weird aliens have landed, and I have been hit with a memory reducing ray, and a flab gun. My body is a fun park, too, Rodney, but at my age, the rides are running a bit slower. Don't want to risk bursting a boiler in the hydraulics that keep the place going. I think I will stick to thinking happy thoughts only. T |
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Scott Russia no mentoin of CTO
Peter Buder wrote:
wrote in ... This has been a wonderment of mine for some time. Unless I missing something, Scott Catalog makes no mention of CTO's in their Russia section. Of course, I only have the Classic cat., but you'd think, with the majority of used being CTO, they'd say something of the value. Scott says in numerous places and cases that postally used are considerable more valulable, but not for Russia. Any thoughts on this. Wolf-==-- ..... In case of Michel, it says cto Borneo is more than half down, compared to postaly used - they have two price-coloumns. Russia - I think about half of that, past revolutionary stuff. ist cto and the michel catalogue says, there is a premium to postaly used. I agree, it IS somewhat difficult to find postaly used examples, but not TOO hard. Two third of my collection is postaly used and there are not too many gaps. It might be harder to get Borneo stamp postaly used. Peter I haven't had much luck in finding postally used USSR or Bulgarian stamps. Czech, Hungarian, DDR (especially), Polish, Romanian stamps are all things I've been able to find postally used in good quantity over the years. But for their populations, postally used USSR and Bulgarian stamps have been hard to come by. This site claims that the majority of postal use in the USSR was handled by pre-printed envelopes, not by affixed stamps. http://www.sijtzereurich.nl/rouble_of_1961.html The relevant quote: ----- What did the mail look like in 1960? In the Soviet Union of 1960 most mail was sent in covers with imprinted stamps. Most covers were illustrated too. The imprinted stamp came in several denominations: 40 kopecks for a normal letter (the lion’s share of the covers); 60 kopecks for an inland airmail letter or an international letter; 1 rouble 60 kopecks for an international airmail letter. Besides there were postcards with imprinted stamps too. Their value was 25 kopecks. The cover or postcard was sold for somewhat more than the stamp’s face value though. Usually this surcharge was 10 kopecks. At the counter a postcard cost 35 kopecks, a cover with an imprinted stamp of 40 kopecks cost 50 kopecks. Postcards were considerably less popular in the Soviet Union than letters with imprinted stamps. Picture postcards were even more scarce. For that matter, a big part of those picture postcards had an imprinted stamp too. Covers and cards without an imprinted stamp, that had to be stamped by the sender, did exist, but they were only a fraction of the postal traffic. ----- If you consider that the USSR had a greater population than the USA, the print quantities of their stamps were extremely low. That would support the idea that stamps were released almost strictly for collectors, seldom serving postal duty. In 1960, the average common USSR commemorative (the minimum catalogue value stamps) were usually issued in print quantities of around 2 million copies per stamp. In comparison, USA commemoratives were printed in quantities of around 125 million copies per stamp. Ryan |
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