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KCat wrote:
Sonam Dasara wrote: I disagree with you concerning the 250 - I believe that it's the same nib as in the 400, but even if it is not, it is an excellent nib with some nice flex. Perhaps yours was damaged? The only difference is that the 250 nib is almost always single-tone and the 400 nibs vary (single or two-tone.) Otherwise, there should be no quality difference other than individual variation. I actually prefer steel nibs most of the time. There are a few exceptions - the two-tone 400 nib in EF for example. Richard Binder's customized nibs are interchangeable among 200, 400, and 600 series (including 700). He explicitly states that they aren't interchangeable with the 150, and he doesn't mention the 800's or larger. David |
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On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 17:47:25 +0800, "Free Citizen"
schreib am: Free I don't know what your problem with your 250 is but mine Free works like a song. And the nib is not a cheapy. It is solid Free 14K and slightly flex. If you don't like that kind of feel Free of course you can opt for the steel ones. for me, those Free write like a door nail. hmmm... my 200 nib is more flexible than any of my gold pelikan nibs, including the vintage ones that are supposed to be somewhat flexible. what's especially nice about the flex on my m200 nib is that it doesn't make the nib any more scratchy. so not only is it more flexible than the gold ones, it's just as smooth. at any rate, it's much softer than the steel nibs on other cheap pens (and some not so cheap pens). -- Once upon a time, four AMPHIBIOUS HOG CALLERS attacked a family of DEFENSELESS, SENSITIVE COIN COLLECTORS and brought DOWN their PROPERTY VALUES!! |
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Mebsuta wrote:
Hello all, Simply, what would be a good fountain pen for a beginner? I have no experience at all with these, but I must have one. I'm leaning toward Pelikan because of the great reviews I've read, and their esthetics. Love that blue and silver 805! I have numerous Pelikans ranging from the 200s up through the M1000 (think nib the size of at least your thumbnail). I've been exceedingly happy with all but 2. They're both demonstrators and it has nothing to do with the actual function of the pen and everything to do with the fact that you see every scratch and scuff from posting the cap and capping the pen. It makes the material appear "cloudy". Also check out the Aurora Ideals. They run in about the same price range as the Pelikan 800s, are very attractive, and excellent writers. I would be hard pressed to decide what went to the desert island, if I were going to be stranded. I started researching pens for my wedding guest book because I wanted a good signature pen (which is not a FP I learned) Some people are very reluctant to write with a fountain pen. I work in a decent size office and several of my employees won't touch my pens. They always ask for a "real pen, not one of those things you write with". (No I haven't bothered with a history lesson. Most aren't sure how to hold it, are afraid of damaging them or just don't want to try.) This is probably a good thing for some of my pens since I write with ALL of my pens including the higher end pens. I'd love to get a Pelikan M805 but I'm just a working stiff and can't justify the cost. So my question is how do the experts like the Pelikan 200 Demonstrator series? The Deutches Telephone Pelikan (grey and fuschia) is a flashy pen without a high price. You can generally pick the lower end models up for a decent price on the ePlace. As far as being a working stiff, it all depends on what you are comfortable with. Unlike others who have responded to you, I prefer the pens with the larger girth. I find I get much less "writer's cramp" writing with a beefy pen, something akin to writing with those extra large crayons from Kindergarten. If you have reason to be in the DFW area in October there will be a pen show with numerous dealers and good prices. There are both new and used pens available for the test driving as well as some really neat ephemera. (I wasn't really into some of the older pens, refurbing the older pens and pen related stuff until after my first show.) If you are interested, I'll send you the date. -- Regards, Angela Remove "not" from address to reply. |
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"Mebsuta" wrote in message om... Hello all, Simply, what would be a good fountain pen for a beginner? I have no experience at all with these, but I must have one. I'm leaning toward Pelikan because of the great reviews I've read, and their esthetics. Love that blue and silver 805! Okay, felt a little like goldilocks today at Dromgoole's but I found a pen that suites me well. They're great people BTW, and I appreciate their time to let me play. I think she spoiled me though, my first experience with a FP was with a Dupont, S.T. Orpheo and man was it like butter! Tried the Pelikans, loved everything but the 200 demonstrator. It's a safe bet I'll be owing a Pel 805 or an Athens at some point though, VERY nice FP's. Among all the others, a Cross ATX felt really great, and wrote like a higher end model. So that's my first fountain pen! Can't wait to get it. This could be dangerous though, my taste is waaaay to high for this working stiff. Ah hell, you only live once. Now for a book or two http://www.epica.com/ |
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Mebsuta wrote:
Well, I thought I might use a FP as a guest book pen, but with all the different people using it (up to 200) maybe the chance it could get damaged would be to high. I'm sure they great signature pens for one owner, but for 200? Now I'm thinking maybe a roller ball would be a good signature pen for about 200 people. You've had some good advice from others. I wouldn't give up on using an FP. It just needs to have a stiff nib for heavy-handed folks used to BPs and, IMO, have at least a semi-hooded nib so it stays wets a bit longer. Folks have recommended a couple of stores. Another, that I didn't see, is Pendemonium: http://www.pendemonium.com (no connection) If you'd still like to have a FP for your guest book, I'd call one of the stores mentioned here. They're all good shops, and the folks are knowledgeable and very willing to help. They'd have an idea for you, I'm sure. HTH, Mark Z. |
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On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 12:30:34 GMT, "JP"
2) Levenger's catalogue (that pen version of Peterman's catalogue) makes reference to nib flexibility in many of their blurbs. Does anyone know if they really do, specifically that titanium nib. Anything that Levenger's sells, by definition, has some flex in the nib. You may have to swing John Brown's 10-pound hammer to make it bend, but if it bends, Levenger's calls it flexible. Before you get hung up on flexible, you need to try a really flexible nib. I tried one at Atlanta (can't remember who had the table set up, a little help here?), and it took me about 2 minutes to decide it wasn't for me. I think flexible is similar to true italic -- it may be fun, but it's not practical for most of us in normal writing. If I have to make a quick note, I don't have time to make either flex or italic work right. OTOH, if you're decorating something (like professional calligraphers routinely do), I guess either could be fun. Let the flames begin. Pat Email address works as is. |
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"Angela Moak" wrote in message news:dvRXc.103055$TI1.65585@attbi_s52... If you have reason to be in the DFW area in October there will be a pen show with numerous dealers and good prices. There are both new and used pens available for the test driving as well as some really neat ephemera. (I wasn't really into some of the older pens, refurbing the older pens and pen related stuff until after my first show.) If you are interested, I'll send you the date. Hey, I'm interested! I'm in OK and have never attended a pen show. Will need date, location, admission details, and maybe directions if I can't find it on a map. -- ~~Bluesea~~ Spam is great in musubi but not in email. Please take out the trash before sending a direct reply. |
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"JP" wrote in message news:KPFXc.26822$rT1.12664@trndny02... PS Questions for the group 2) Levenger's catalogue (that pen version of Peterman's catalogue) makes reference to nib flexibility in many of their blurbs. Does anyone know if they really do, specifically that titanium nib. Yeah, what's the deal with "flex" as a description? I'm used to it meaning that it will yield a variable line, thin to thick, according to the pressure applied while writing normally but I'm getting the idea that it (also?) means a springy feel w/ no line variation from a few advertised-as-flex pens that I've tried which lines don't vary a whit. -- ~~Bluesea~~who thinks if you have to press THAT hard, you oughta use a bp Spam is great in musubi but not in email. Please take out the trash before sending a direct reply. |
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Anything that Levenger's sells, by definition, has some flex in the
nib. You may have to swing John Brown's 10-pound hammer to make it bend, but if it bends, Levenger's calls it flexible. From what I understand, the titanium nibs are probably semi-flex at best. Before you get hung up on flexible, you need to try a really flexible nib. I kinda disagree here because if you're new to flex and try one that's a wet noodle and it doesn't work for you, then you might be unwilling to try semi-flex nibs which can be used as daily writers quite easily for most folks. I think a range of flex should be tried if you're interested in it. I've got a Pelikan 120 that is semi-flex by most standards probably. two Esties which aren't wet noodles but are darn flexy, and the Namiki Falcon which is flexible (I won't get into the mechanics of "real flex" or "modern fake flex" but still great for daily writing. Semi-flex allows a person with a light hand to write quite comfortably and get minor variation. Or write more heavily and get considerable variation. but don't just all flex by either end of the spectrum. have to make a quick note, I don't have time to make either flex or italic work right. OTOH, if you're decorating something (like professional calligraphers routinely do), I guess either could be fun. Let the flames begin. shoot - no flames, Patrick. Everyone is different. I love obliques - but have a friend who just can't handle the left-footed obliques even though she's right handed. Something in how she was taught (the true "Palmer" method apparently) has made such nibs miserable experiences for her. But I love 'em and in fact much prefer to write with a pen with an oblique stub or what I call a "sharp" oblique stub. (these are about 6-8 degrees vs. the standard 15-deg seen in most stock obliques such as Pelikan or MB. I have one of Richard Binder's Cursive Obliques - no problem with it at all. But it gave my friend fits. so.... I just think that try before you buy is the best answer of all. And I have a cursive italic that I often use for daily writing as well. just depends on what *You* like to use. For high-speed, gotta-get-this-info-down-as-fast-as-possible-before-my-brain-quits-working writing - either an oblique stub or a standard nib is usually best (for me.) But even my sharp stubs don't hinder my speed much. An italic does somewhat and a 15-degree oblique does a tad too. Funny thing - despite all those varieties of nibs - I can't use a straight stub comfortably - this is just a soft version of an italic which I can use! go figure. I wouldn't take levenger's word on flexibility definitely - but I have heard the titanium nib of the Samba is more flexible than a nail at least. :-) |
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