Michael Marotta: Coin collectors are liars

celtex wrote:
"Mr. Jaggers" lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com wrote in message
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Why dont you answer me Michael Marotta. Im going to continue
posting until you answer me. I demand an explanation and not a
sleazy politician answer that skips the question. Im The Coin
Collector thats my Delusion of Grandeur haha. You need to explain
yourself since you write for the ANA magazine. Do you really
believe thqt coin collectors "in general" are liars and that
cheating is irrelevant ??? Thats what you said.


On June 30, 2001 Michael Marota started a thread that he named
"Coin Collectors are Bullies" in the newsgroup
humanities.philosophy.objectivism. In the first post he said

"The most successful collectors and dealers I have met are people
who display obvious symptoms of low self esteem: slouching for
instance. Lying about anything and everything from the weather to
the published price of a coin is typical".

In the same post Michael Marotta said [coin collectors] "substitute
the ownership of things that impress other people for
actually feeling good about who they are. Never having built or
invented or created anything, they succeed in the eyes of others by
overpowering others".

In this same post Michael Marotta said "these are GENERALIZATIONS
about a large group of people".

You can read Michael Marottas entire post he

http://groups.google.com/group/human...990e037d4ed640

Michael Marotta also said cheating is irrelevant if you enter a
coin deal with free choice.

Here are his words:

Michael Marotta started a thread in rec.collecting.coins on
December 10, 2000 and he named it "Dishonest Collectors". Michael
Marotta wrote:

"Once we accept that a transaction is freely entered into, whether
or not someone gets "cheated" is irrelevant".

You can read the entire post he

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.c...901bb967b1f513

Michael Marotta you also didnt answer if it was OK to cheat in
other areas that you freely enter into such as job interviewas. Is
it irrelevant to do other things to people when they freely enter
into something. When a parent drops a kid off at school can the
school or teacher do anything it wants because the parent freely
did this. What about a doctor when you freely go to him can he do
anything he wants because you freely did this. Why is cheating in
a coin deal "irrelevant". You dont answer this. Why ??? Is it
irrelevant when tehese sleazy mail order coin dealers call old
people and cheat them out of thousands of dollars with modern
coins worth little more than face. Is it irrelevant for cheating
slabbing service to cheat collectors by putting VF20 coins in AU50
slabs so cheating dealers can sell them at XF40 prices. Why did
you say this is the "noblest human endeavour".

I am The Coin Collector and I demand and explanation from you.

If this group is any indication of the civility and friendliness of
the Coin Collector Community then I am not interested. The short
time I have been visiting and trying to learn something about what I
thought to be a great hobby, that dove's tail with my detecting, I
have seen some vial and uncivil responses to question or post. Most
seemed to me to be undeserving of the tone delivered. You guys can
bitch about each other and complain about eBay all you want, for me
I'll go to the more friendly metal detecting/treasure hunting
forums. They are more friendly and helpful than this group.

No one here can control anything that anyone else posts. This can be
viewed as a liability or an asset, your call. You received
assistance from me when you posted a query regarding a Morgan dollar
back in early February, as well as a response to your inquiry
regarding eBay shortly after that. Now you come back and broadbrush
the lot of us and cast aspersion on our hobby to boot, all this in
response to a post that was not directed at you and had nothing to
do with you. James
I did get great info here and have learned a lot. Maybe my BS
tolerance was low today. But the post can be really personal here. I
guess I am a little to sensitive today. Or maybe its my time of the
month??? Anyway I am sorry for broad brushing all of you based on
a small few. Please accept my apologies and will try to be less a
whussy in future.

No problem, it's not always easy to stay one's hand, and our media-drunk
society sees fewer and fewer examples of polite discourse. In all things,
the ancient Chinese poet counselled, "Ay, take the grain, and let the chaff
go." I have found that advice to be one of the great values in life.

James

"RWF" wrote in message
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"celtex" wrote in message
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"RWF" wrote in message
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"Mr. Jaggers" lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com wrote in
message ...
No one here can control anything that anyone else
posts. This can be viewed as a liability or an asset,
your call. You received assistance from me when you
posted a query regarding a Morgan dollar back in early
February, as well as a response to your inquiry
regarding eBay shortly after that. Now you come back
and broadbrush the lot of us and cast aspersion on our
hobby to boot, all this in response to a post that was
not directed at you and had nothing to do with you.

It wouldn't surprise me if "celtex" was really Fwankie.

And you are the worst of all of the others, I have
gleamed some great information here but your rudeness and
incivility is totally uncalled for. You are a pompous
jerk. Too bad you seem to know the coins as well. You're
too much a jerk to try to learn from. Not fwankie whoever
that is... Just a newbie trying to learn.

Thought you were leaving, jackass.

Too late. He pegged you perfectly. How soon before you
plonk him?

On Mar 7, 2:55�pm, wrote:
Why dont you answer me Michael Marotta. Im going to continue posting
until you answer me. I demand an explanation and not a sleazy
politician answer that skips the question. Im The Coin Collector thats
my Delusion of Grandeur haha. You need to explain yourself since you
write for the ANA magazine. Do you really believe thqt coin collectors
"in general" are liars and that cheating is irrelevant ??? Thats what
you said.

On June 30, 2001 Michael Marota started a thread that he named "Coin
Collectors are Bullies" in the newsgroup
humanities.philosophy.objectivism. In the first post he said

"The most successful collectors and dealers I have met are people who
display obvious symptoms of low self esteem: slouching for instance.
Lying about anything and everything from the weather to the published
price of a coin is typical".

In the same post Michael Marotta said [coin collectors] "substitute
the ownership of things that impress other people for
actually feeling good about who they are. �Never having built or
invented or created anything, they succeed in the eyes of others by
overpowering others".

In this same post Michael Marotta said "these are GENERALIZATIONS
about a large group of people".

You can read Michael Marottas entire post he

http://groups.google.com/group/human...jectivism/msg/...

Michael Marotta also said cheating is irrelevant if you enter a coin
deal with free choice.

Here are his words:

Michael Marotta started a thread in rec.collecting.coins on December
10, 2000 and he named it "Dishonest Collectors". Michael Marotta
wrote:

"Once we accept that a transaction is freely entered into, whether or
not someone gets "cheated" is irrelevant".

You can read the entire post he

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.c...901bb967b1f513

Michael Marotta you also didnt answer if it was OK to cheat in other
areas that you freely enter into such as job interviewas. Is it
irrelevant to do other things to people when they freely enter into
something. When a parent drops a kid off at school can the school or
teacher do anything it wants because the parent freely did this. What
about a doctor when you freely go to him can he do anything he wants
because you freely did this. Why is cheating in a coin deal
"irrelevant". You dont answer this. Why ??? Is it irrelevant when
tehese sleazy mail order coin dealers call old people and cheat them
out of thousands of dollars with modern coins worth little more than
face. Is it irrelevant for cheating slabbing service to cheat
collectors by putting VF20 coins in AU50 slabs so cheating dealers can
sell them at XF40 prices. Why did you say this is the "noblest human
endeavour".

I am The Coin Collector and I demand and explanation from you.

Help! Is there an exorcist in the house???

wrote:

On Mar 7, 2:55�pm, wrote:
Why dont you answer me Michael Marotta. Im going to continue posting
until you answer me. I demand an explanation and not a sleazy
politician answer that skips the question. Im The Coin Collector thats
my Delusion of Grandeur haha. You need to explain yourself since you
write for the ANA magazine. Do you really believe thqt coin collectors
"in general" are liars and that cheating is irrelevant ??? Thats what
you said.

On June 30, 2001 Michael Marota started a thread that he named "Coin
Collectors are Bullies" in the newsgroup
humanities.philosophy.objectivism. In the first post he said

"The most successful collectors and dealers I have met are people who
display obvious symptoms of low self esteem: slouching for instance.
Lying about anything and everything from the weather to the published
price of a coin is typical".

In the same post Michael Marotta said [coin collectors] "substitute
the ownership of things that impress other people for
actually feeling good about who they are. �Never having built or
invented or created anything, they succeed in the eyes of others by
overpowering others".

In this same post Michael Marotta said "these are GENERALIZATIONS
about a large group of people".

You can read Michael Marottas entire post he

http://groups.google.com/group/human...jectivism/msg/...

Michael Marotta also said cheating is irrelevant if you enter a coin
deal with free choice.

Here are his words:

Michael Marotta started a thread in rec.collecting.coins on December
10, 2000 and he named it "Dishonest Collectors". Michael Marotta
wrote:

"Once we accept that a transaction is freely entered into, whether or
not someone gets "cheated" is irrelevant".

You can read the entire post he

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.c...901bb967b1f513

Michael Marotta you also didnt answer if it was OK to cheat in other
areas that you freely enter into such as job interviewas. Is it
irrelevant to do other things to people when they freely enter into
something. When a parent drops a kid off at school can the school or
teacher do anything it wants because the parent freely did this. What
about a doctor when you freely go to him can he do anything he wants
because you freely did this. Why is cheating in a coin deal
"irrelevant". You dont answer this. Why ??? Is it irrelevant when
tehese sleazy mail order coin dealers call old people and cheat them
out of thousands of dollars with modern coins worth little more than
face. Is it irrelevant for cheating slabbing service to cheat
collectors by putting VF20 coins in AU50 slabs so cheating dealers can
sell them at XF40 prices. Why did you say this is the "noblest human
endeavour".

I am The Coin Collector and I demand and explanation from you.

Help! Is there an exorcist in the house???

Yes, it's called a kill file or message filter.

Set up your news reader to eliminate posts from our resident trolls.

JAM

On Mar 8, 8:36*am, wrote:

Help! *Is there an exorcist in the house???

Expelliarmus!

-Robert A. DeRose, Jr.
(Hey, it worked for William Shakespeare on _Doctor Who_...)

On Mar 8, 6:43�pm, wrote:
On Mar 8, 8:36�am, wrote:

Help! �Is there an exorcist in the house???

Expelliarmus!

-Robert A. DeRose, Jr.
(Hey, it worked for William Shakespeare on _Doctor Who_...)

Hey, Robert! I thought of you the other day! Check this out:

http://www.vcoins.com/ancient/apollu...t=1539&large=0

~Ann

wrote:
On Mar 8, 6:43?pm, wrote:
On Mar 8, 8:36?am, wrote:

Help! ?Is there an exorcist in the house???

Expelliarmus!

-Robert A. DeRose, Jr.
(Hey, it worked for William Shakespeare on _Doctor Who_...)

Hey, Robert! I thought of you the other day! Check this out:

http://www.vcoins.com/ancient/apollu...t=1539&large=0

~Ann

For others out there interested in Parthian coins and in case $700 for "Ten
Dragons Against Rome" seems a bit pricey, the CNG 36 Auction catalog can be
found if you have patience and is generally less than $100. It is the Fred
Shore Parthian Coins auction and uses the Shore numbers for the coins, the
same attributions and coins that the Ten Dragons book was based on. It's a
nice catalog.

For others out there interested in Parthian coins and in case $700 for
"Ten Dragons Against Rome" seems a bit pricey

There is one on abebooks.com for $400

On Mar 8, 10:05*pm, wrote:
Hey, Robert! *I thought of you the other day! *Check this out:

http://www.vcoins.com/ancient/apollu...sp?idProduct=1....

~Ann

Wow, that price (and the other quoted prices for the Shore book and
CNG catalogue) seem crazy to me. I paid $50 for my copy shortly after
it went out of print, and so it still feels like a $50 book to me.

Hmm, right now I keep my coins in a bank safety deposit box and my
reference books at home. Maybe I should do it the other way around?

-Robert A. DeRose, Jr.

wrote:
On Mar 8, 10:05 pm, wrote:
Hey, Robert! I thought of you the other day! Check this out:

http://www.vcoins.com/ancient/apollu...sp?idProduct=1...

~Ann

Wow, that price (and the other quoted prices for the Shore book and
CNG catalogue) seem crazy to me. I paid $50 for my copy shortly after
it went out of print, and so it still feels like a $50 book to me.

Hmm, right now I keep my coins in a bank safety deposit box and my
reference books at home. Maybe I should do it the other way around?

-Robert A. DeRose, Jr.

A couple years ago when I got interested in Parthians I bought CNG 36 and
Sellwood for a little under $200 for the pair. I passed on the "Ten
Dragons..." for $300. If only I had known then....