Canadian stamps expert help needed.

On Sat, 29 Nov 2003 23:41:17 +0100, Michael Bruhn
wrote:

Hi everyone

First of all, thank you all for your help. I've uploaded a scanning of the
stamps if that can help to clarify it:

http://home20.inet.tele.dk/frankie/Canada.jpg

I think especially with the 8 Cents stamp, that the margin is to big that it can
have be perforated at the bottom.

As I don't collect stamps from outside Europe (you have to stop somewhere), I
want to sell these, and more stamps I got from Canada, but I don't want to put
something up for sale that is worthless.

While at it I have another question regarding Canadian stamps. I have a SG 415
that have a overprint of 2 lines, and then the number 5850, and then two more
lines. I've seen on the net that these are precancelled stamps from Winnipeg. My
question is are these worth more than the normal stamp, and should they be
counted as used or unused?

Sorry, if this is another stupid question, but I don't know 1% of what you guys
know about all this

Bye.


--
Michael Bruhn

if they are definitives, they could be from a booklet pane... kk


"Frank Emanuel" wrote in message
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"Michael Bruhn" wrote in message
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Hi

Are there any experts in Canadian stamps here?

I have two stamps from Canada, that I can't find in the Stanley Gibbons
catalouge. I have SG 249 and SG 252, but they only perforated on the
sides
and
at the top.

Does such stamps exist?


3 sides perf is likely the edge of a sheet.

Frank




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I woud imaganie you are right that they are cut.... or possibly from the
bottom of the sheet (edge).....kk


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On Sat, 29 Nov 2003 23:41:17 +0100, Michael Bruhn
wrote:

Hi

Are there any experts in Canadian stamps here?

I have two stamps from Canada, that I can't find in the Stanley Gibbons
catalouge. I have SG 249 and SG 252, but they only perforated on the
sides and
at the top.

Does such stamps exist?

Bye.

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Michael:

My old SG says #249 and #252 are the 4c and 8c of the 1922-31
issue. The Scott #s are 110 and 115 for those stamps.

They could come from booklet panes, but I am not aware of any booklet
panes with these denomination of stamps (ie 4 cents and 8 cents).

It should be noted that ALL stamps of this issue
are known in imperforated pairs (very expensive).

Scott 110a (4 c) Imperf pair $1000.
ditto (NH) " " $1750.

Scott 115a (8 c) Imperf pair $1000.
ditto (NH) " " $1750.

I do not know about partial perfs though. They could
just be regular stamps with the bottom perfs cut off.

Blair
Ottawa, Canada




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I think they are straight edges from the bottom of a sheet.... they come in
all 4 sides straight, and I believe that occasionally with right angle
corners this way too.... kk


"Michael Bruhn" wrote in message
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On Sat, 29 Nov 2003 23:41:17 +0100, Michael Bruhn

wrote:

Hi everyone

First of all, thank you all for your help. I've uploaded a scanning of the
stamps if that can help to clarify it:

http://home20.inet.tele.dk/frankie/Canada.jpg

I think especially with the 8 Cents stamp, that the margin is to big that
it can
have be perforated at the bottom.

As I don't collect stamps from outside Europe (you have to stop
somewhere), I
want to sell these, and more stamps I got from Canada, but I don't want to
put
something up for sale that is worthless.

While at it I have another question regarding Canadian stamps. I have a SG
415
that have a overprint of 2 lines, and then the number 5850, and then two
more
lines. I've seen on the net that these are precancelled stamps from
Winnipeg. My
question is are these worth more than the normal stamp, and should they be
counted as used or unused?

Sorry, if this is another stupid question, but I don't know 1% of what you
guys
know about all this

Bye.


--
Michael Bruhn




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On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 09:51:18 +0800, "Rodney"
wrote:

Probably coil stamps.
Mr. Bob Ingraham posted a cover on the 18-9-2003
of the SG249 showing exactly what you describe.
HTH

Rodney:

The 4c and 8c of that issue were neither issued
in coils nor booklets. Could be a sheet edge
per Frank's posting. (I haven't seen a full
sheet to confirm.)

Blair


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On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 09:22:08 +0100, Michael Bruhn
wrote:

On Sat, 29 Nov 2003 23:41:17 +0100, Michael Bruhn
wrote:

Hi everyone

While at it I have another question regarding Canadian stamps. I have a SG 415
that have a overprint of 2 lines, and then the number 5850, and then two more
lines. I've seen on the net that these are precancelled stamps from Winnipeg. My
question is are these worth more than the normal stamp, and should they be
counted as used or unused?

Sorry, if this is another stupid question, but I don't know 1% of what you guys
know about all this

Bye.

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Michael:

Most Canadian collectors that I know just treat
these as used stamps.

There are some precancel specialists around but
not many in my experience.

In any case, the Winnipeg 5850 precancel seems
to be one of the most common that I have seen,
so I doubt there is a great premium if any.

Blair
Ottawa, Canada.






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"kevin" wrote in message
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if they are definitives, they could be from a booklet pane... kk



Not the HVs.

Frank

Michael Bruhn11/30/2003 12:22


On Sat, 29 Nov 2003 23:41:17 +0100, Michael Bruhn
wrote:

Hi everyone

First of all, thank you all for your help. I've uploaded a scanning of the
stamps if that can help to clarify it:

http://home20.inet.tele.dk/frankie/Canada.jpg

I think especially with the 8 Cents stamp, that the margin is to big that it
can
have be perforated at the bottom.

As I don't collect stamps from outside Europe (you have to stop somewhere), I
want to sell these, and more stamps I got from Canada, but I don't want to put
something up for sale that is worthless.

While at it I have another question regarding Canadian stamps. I have a SG 415
that have a overprint of 2 lines, and then the number 5850, and then two more
lines. I've seen on the net that these are precancelled stamps from Winnipeg.
My
question is are these worth more than the normal stamp, and should they be
counted as used or unused?

Sorry, if this is another stupid question, but I don't know 1% of what you
guys
know about all this

Bye.


--
Michael Bruhn



OK. End of discussion. These are most assuredly, absolutely, unequivocally,
certainly, without question, and undeniably examples of SE stamps from the
bottom rows of either of the two upper panes cut from sheets of 100 stamps.

They weren't issued in coil form or in booklet panes, only in sheets. The
sheets had no gutters, and were almost certainly cut by machine after being
perforated.

That's a nice 8-cent Admiral, BTW. If you still want to sell it, let me
know.

Bob

From "The Admiral Type" chapter in Robson Lowe:

"PLATES: the printing plates produced sheets of 200 or 400 which were
divided to yield the Post Office sheets of 100. There were four types:

A. 200 subjects 20 x 10 divided by a vertical gutter (1c. green, 5c.
blue, 7c. bistre, 10. plum, 20c. and 50c.).
B. 400 subjects 20 x 20 divided by vertical and horizontal gutters
(1c. green, 2c. red, 5c. blue, 7c. bistre, 10c. plum and 20c.).
C. 200 subjects 20 x 10 (50c.).
D. 400 subjects 20 x 20 (all values in all colors).

Type C was guillotined verticaly andtype D vertically and horizontally
into the Post Office sheets thus producing stamps with one or two
straight edges. Until January 1914 only types A and B were used."

Jay Carrigan change domain to mchsi
www.jaypex.com


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On Sat, 29 Nov 2003 23:41:17 +0100, Michael Bruhn
wrote:

Hi everyone

First of all, thank you all for your help. I've uploaded a scanning of the
stamps if that can help to clarify it:

http://home20.inet.tele.dk/frankie/Canada.jpg

I think especially with the 8 Cents stamp, that the margin is to big that it
can
have be perforated at the bottom.

As I don't collect stamps from outside Europe (you have to stop somewhere), I
want to sell these, and more stamps I got from Canada, but I don't want to
put
something up for sale that is worthless.

While at it I have another question regarding Canadian stamps. I have a SG
415
that have a overprint of 2 lines, and then the number 5850, and then two more
lines. I've seen on the net that these are precancelled stamps from Winnipeg.
My
question is are these worth more than the normal stamp, and should they be
counted as used or unused?

Sorry, if this is another stupid question, but I don't know 1% of what you
guys
know about all this

Bye.


--
Michael Bruhn

Jay T.Carrigan11/30/2003 8:03

From "The Admiral Type" chapter in Robson Lowe:

"PLATES: the printing plates produced sheets of 200 or 400 which were
divided to yield the Post Office sheets of 100. There were four types:

A. 200 subjects 20 x 10 divided by a vertical gutter (1c. green, 5c.
blue, 7c. bistre, 10. plum, 20c. and 50c.).
B. 400 subjects 20 x 20 divided by vertical and horizontal gutters
(1c. green, 2c. red, 5c. blue, 7c. bistre, 10c. plum and 20c.).
C. 200 subjects 20 x 10 (50c.).
D. 400 subjects 20 x 20 (all values in all colors).

Type C was guillotined verticaly andtype D vertically and horizontally
into the Post Office sheets thus producing stamps with one or two
straight edges. Until January 1914 only types A and B were used."

Jay Carrigan change domain to mchsi
www.jaypex.com

Jay,

That's good information. I was not aware that gutters were included on any
Admirals, but it seems that the panes in question were not divided by
gutters.

I just did a bit more searching on Google and found a really well done web
site about the Admiral issue, obviously by a specialist with an eye to good
web design. The URL is http://www.rpsc.org/Library/admiral. There is
discussion (and a good illustration of a pair of stamps showing a guide
arrow used for guillotining the sheets into panes) on the same web site at
http://www.rpsc.org/Library/admiral/formats.htm.

I quite like the Admiral stamps, though I don't have the patience for true
specialization. I have collected a number of interesting color and paper
varieties, and one unused copy with inverted lathework. Pricey little
sucker! Shows that NG doesn't necessarily mean LP (Low Price)!

An interesting historical note about the Admiral himself, King George V: The
uniform he wears in the image on the stamp was deserved and not just
honorary: he really was an admiral, who worked his way up through the ranks
and was widely respected by his men.

Bob