What amp do I have in my jukebox??

Agreed - jukebox collecting and restoration is all about PATIENCE. Getting
in a hurry to obtain parts can be expensive.

You are being given good advice. Rebuild that amp and restore the box to
your liking. Keep the market value of your box in mind when making parts
purchases. If you decide you want to take it to the next level by getting
the correct amp, just keep an ear to the ground and take your time. Also,
you can always sell your amp once you come across the right deal on an MRA4.

MRT

"Jim Murphy" wrote in message
news
Kieth is on the money here. Desire for perfection is a startup hobbiests
disease. And it will break the bank. If you are a collector only and do
not intend to ever sell the machine and have unlimited amounts of money to
put into the restoration then make it all original and perfect. If you are
wanting to sell or trade around then take Kieth's advice. Unless the
future buyer is a true collector he/she will not care what amp is in it.
If they are a true collector they probably want to do their own
restoration and will be looking for a deal and will not want to put out
big money for a machine someone else has made perfect. Jim

"Keith Stelter" wrote in message
...
I don't believe that Bill is correct.
It might have been an export only amp on the 100G models, but as far as I
know it was a regular, domestic amp on older 100 series jukes. I stand
behind what I said before. It's NOT going to be worth the money to try to
track down an original, then pay to get it rebuilt. Just rebuild the one
that you have and use it until you can happen across a "correct" one at a
low price. You are going to pay $200.00 for the correct amp in "as-is"
condition, then pay another $200.00 to get it rebuilt. It's not going to
have any more real wattage than the MRA-2, and again, unless you are
using the correct cartridge and needles along with high fidelity (NOT
stereo) records, you won't be able to tell the difference. Spend the
money on chrome, the replacement mech cover that you said you need, etc.
That stuff will make MUCH more of a difference to your juke than having
the correct number amp in it. Do what you want, but I've been doing jukes
for over 20 years and that's what I would do. Most of us have made the
mistake when we first got into the hobby of sticking $4,000.00 in a juke
that will only ever be worth $2,000.00 TOPS! We are just trying to save
you from the same fate!

wrote in message
...
I sent the same question to Bill Bickers as I sent to the group about me
having the wrong amp because I was told by the previous owners he rebuilt
this amp about 5 years ago. His response is below:

The mra-2 was an export only amp. There are very few of them out there.
The fact that you have one is really strange.
It does not sound anywhere near as good as the correct amp. I would
suggest that you find the mra-4. Try Bill
Butterfield:
Bill

I tried contacting Bill Butterfield but the response I got was he would
be unable to answer emails as he will be out of town for about 3 weeks.
Does anyone know of anyone else who would carry the correct amp for my
jukebox (HF 100G) and about how much money this is going to set me
back........Mickey

"Joseph A. "Tony" Dziedzic" wrote in message
...
The MRA2 amp was originally used in the model M100B jukebox. The MRA1
through
MRA4 amps are electrically interchangeable, and it is not uncommon to
find
that an operator swapped amps (and selection receivers) to get a broken
unit
back in operation. Most operators don't even try to repair equipment
in the
field when the problem is anything more involved than a burned-out
light bulb.

The MRA4 has the best sound quality of the lot, as it is a "high
fidelity"
unit. If you call Victory Glass they might be willing to send you
copies of
the M100B manual pages that describe the MRA2 amp.

Joseph "Tony" Dziedzic

In article ,

wrote:
According to the parts and service maual I received from victory glass
for
my Seeburg HF 100G, I should have a MRA4-L6 which is a high fidelity
master
remote amplifier. Whats is my juke box is a MRA2 L5 . I need to replace
the
some of the tubes, and the layout and tube numbers for this are
completly
different than what the book shows for the MRA-L6. The tube numbers are
marked on the amp, but I wonder what exactly I have in this machine,
and
does anyone know if this jukebox will work and sound like its supposed
to
with this amp?.........Mickey









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I think I will follow all of your advice and keep the amp I have in there! I
dont intend to sell this! I am taking my dining room in the house, and
building a sports bar.This dining room, which we have used a total of 5
times in 12 years is a wasted room.You know the kind of room Im talking
about, as Im sure a lot of you have the same room! Always yelling at the
kids to quit playing in there, no ones allowed in cause you might mess it up
ect! I talked it over with my wife and she agreed it would be cool to have a
sports bar.....a room we can have fun in, instead of yelling at everyone to
get out of! Im going to sell the table and chairs, rip up the carpet ,put a
hardwood floor down and build an 8 foot wet bar, and put in a 50`s era diner
booth! I wanted the a jukebox for the room to be the cenerpiece and also to
have a wallbox mounted at the table that will also operate the jukebox! We
have talked about this for 2 years and finally deceided to take the plunge
and get a jukebox. The dining room table is up for sale and Im getting ready
to rip up the carpet and start on the bar. My wife is excited about it as I
am. We will also put a Tv on the wall behind the bar, have some sports
memorabilia on the wall, some neon signs ect. I mainly want the jukebox to
look really really nice and sound decent, because I do want it to be the
main focus in the room!! The amp in this thing WAS rebuilt by Bill Bickers
about 5 years ago according to the previous owners.....Jim and Crystal
Norton. I was just a little discouraged to find it did not have the right
amp in it, but it does work! Sounds like sound advice, and I can always look
for the correct amp later when I have more money and time, and when
everything else is done!! Like I said...it does work, so thats the important
thing I guess!............Mickey
"mike" wrote in message
...
Agreed - jukebox collecting and restoration is all about PATIENCE. Getting
in a hurry to obtain parts can be expensive.

You are being given good advice. Rebuild that amp and restore the box to
your liking. Keep the market value of your box in mind when making parts
purchases. If you decide you want to take it to the next level by getting
the correct amp, just keep an ear to the ground and take your time. Also,
you can always sell your amp once you come across the right deal on an
MRA4.

MRT

"Jim Murphy" wrote in message
news
Kieth is on the money here. Desire for perfection is a startup hobbiests
disease. And it will break the bank. If you are a collector only and do
not intend to ever sell the machine and have unlimited amounts of money
to put into the restoration then make it all original and perfect. If you
are wanting to sell or trade around then take Kieth's advice. Unless the
future buyer is a true collector he/she will not care what amp is in it.
If they are a true collector they probably want to do their own
restoration and will be looking for a deal and will not want to put out
big money for a machine someone else has made perfect. Jim

"Keith Stelter" wrote in message
...
I don't believe that Bill is correct.
It might have been an export only amp on the 100G models, but as far as
I know it was a regular, domestic amp on older 100 series jukes. I stand
behind what I said before. It's NOT going to be worth the money to try
to track down an original, then pay to get it rebuilt. Just rebuild the
one that you have and use it until you can happen across a "correct" one
at a low price. You are going to pay $200.00 for the correct amp in
"as-is" condition, then pay another $200.00 to get it rebuilt. It's not
going to have any more real wattage than the MRA-2, and again, unless
you are using the correct cartridge and needles along with high fidelity
(NOT stereo) records, you won't be able to tell the difference. Spend
the money on chrome, the replacement mech cover that you said you need,
etc. That stuff will make MUCH more of a difference to your juke than
having the correct number amp in it. Do what you want, but I've been
doing jukes for over 20 years and that's what I would do. Most of us
have made the mistake when we first got into the hobby of sticking
$4,000.00 in a juke that will only ever be worth $2,000.00 TOPS! We are
just trying to save you from the same fate!

wrote in message
...
I sent the same question to Bill Bickers as I sent to the group about me
having the wrong amp because I was told by the previous owners he
rebuilt this amp about 5 years ago. His response is below:

The mra-2 was an export only amp. There are very few of them out
there. The fact that you have one is really strange.
It does not sound anywhere near as good as the correct amp. I would
suggest that you find the mra-4. Try Bill
Butterfield:
Bill

I tried contacting Bill Butterfield but the response I got was he
would be unable to answer emails as he will be out of town for about 3
weeks. Does anyone know of anyone else who would carry the correct amp
for my jukebox (HF 100G) and about how much money this is going to set
me back........Mickey

"Joseph A. "Tony" Dziedzic" wrote in message
...
The MRA2 amp was originally used in the model M100B jukebox. The MRA1
through
MRA4 amps are electrically interchangeable, and it is not uncommon to
find
that an operator swapped amps (and selection receivers) to get a
broken unit
back in operation. Most operators don't even try to repair equipment
in the
field when the problem is anything more involved than a burned-out
light bulb.

The MRA4 has the best sound quality of the lot, as it is a "high
fidelity"
unit. If you call Victory Glass they might be willing to send you
copies of
the M100B manual pages that describe the MRA2 amp.

Joseph "Tony" Dziedzic

In article ,

wrote:
According to the parts and service maual I received from victory glass
for
my Seeburg HF 100G, I should have a MRA4-L6 which is a high fidelity
master
remote amplifier. Whats is my juke box is a MRA2 L5 . I need to
replace the
some of the tubes, and the layout and tube numbers for this are
completly
different than what the book shows for the MRA-L6. The tube numbers
are
marked on the amp, but I wonder what exactly I have in this machine,
and
does anyone know if this jukebox will work and sound like its supposed
to
with this amp?.........Mickey









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the MRA2-L6 is original equipment for the following models.
M100B, M100BL
it can be substituted in the following without modification
M100C, M100W, M100G
MRA2-L5 had a red power transformer. the L5 means 50 cycle power and was
made for export, however it works just fine on 60 cycle power.
reference: Seeburg Data Sheet 50934 dated April 1962

rich http://webpages.charter.net/richklestinez

later on I will make a plain front page for the site. for now I borrowed
the one my wife has. she likes cats!!!

enjoy

"mike" wrote in message
...
Agreed - jukebox collecting and restoration is all about PATIENCE. Getting
in a hurry to obtain parts can be expensive.

You are being given good advice. Rebuild that amp and restore the box to
your liking. Keep the market value of your box in mind when making parts
purchases. If you decide you want to take it to the next level by getting
the correct amp, just keep an ear to the ground and take your time. Also,
you can always sell your amp once you come across the right deal on an
MRA4.

MRT

"Jim Murphy" wrote in message
news
Kieth is on the money here. Desire for perfection is a startup hobbiests
disease. And it will break the bank. If you are a collector only and do
not intend to ever sell the machine and have unlimited amounts of money
to
put into the restoration then make it all original and perfect. If you
are
wanting to sell or trade around then take Kieth's advice. Unless the
future buyer is a true collector he/she will not care what amp is in it.
If they are a true collector they probably want to do their own
restoration and will be looking for a deal and will not want to put out
big money for a machine someone else has made perfect. Jim

"Keith Stelter" wrote in message
...
I don't believe that Bill is correct.
It might have been an export only amp on the 100G models, but as far as
I
know it was a regular, domestic amp on older 100 series jukes. I stand
behind what I said before. It's NOT going to be worth the money to try
to
track down an original, then pay to get it rebuilt. Just rebuild the
one
that you have and use it until you can happen across a "correct" one at
a
low price. You are going to pay $200.00 for the correct amp in "as-is"
condition, then pay another $200.00 to get it rebuilt. It's not going
to
have any more real wattage than the MRA-2, and again, unless you are
using the correct cartridge and needles along with high fidelity (NOT
stereo) records, you won't be able to tell the difference. Spend the
money on chrome, the replacement mech cover that you said you need,
etc.
That stuff will make MUCH more of a difference to your juke than having
the correct number amp in it. Do what you want, but I've been doing
jukes
for over 20 years and that's what I would do. Most of us have made the
mistake when we first got into the hobby of sticking $4,000.00 in a
juke
that will only ever be worth $2,000.00 TOPS! We are just trying to save
you from the same fate!

wrote in message
...
I sent the same question to Bill Bickers as I sent to the group about
me
having the wrong amp because I was told by the previous owners he
rebuilt
this amp about 5 years ago. His response is below:

The mra-2 was an export only amp. There are very few of them out
there.
The fact that you have one is really strange.
It does not sound anywhere near as good as the correct amp. I would
suggest that you find the mra-4. Try Bill
Butterfield:
Bill

I tried contacting Bill Butterfield but the response I got was he
would
be unable to answer emails as he will be out of town for about 3
weeks.
Does anyone know of anyone else who would carry the correct amp for my
jukebox (HF 100G) and about how much money this is going to set me
back........Mickey

"Joseph A. "Tony" Dziedzic" wrote in message
...
The MRA2 amp was originally used in the model M100B jukebox. The
MRA1
through
MRA4 amps are electrically interchangeable, and it is not uncommon to
find
that an operator swapped amps (and selection receivers) to get a
broken
unit
back in operation. Most operators don't even try to repair equipment
in the
field when the problem is anything more involved than a burned-out
light bulb.

The MRA4 has the best sound quality of the lot, as it is a "high
fidelity"
unit. If you call Victory Glass they might be willing to send you
copies of
the M100B manual pages that describe the MRA2 amp.

Joseph "Tony" Dziedzic

In article ,

wrote:
According to the parts and service maual I received from victory
glass
for
my Seeburg HF 100G, I should have a MRA4-L6 which is a high fidelity
master
remote amplifier. Whats is my juke box is a MRA2 L5 . I need to
replace
the
some of the tubes, and the layout and tube numbers for this are
completly
different than what the book shows for the MRA-L6. The tube numbers
are
marked on the amp, but I wonder what exactly I have in this machine,
and
does anyone know if this jukebox will work and sound like its
supposed
to
with this amp?.........Mickey









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