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(RCSD) Question: Old Manchester (UK) postal districts
Could someone please identify the following (old) Manchester postal districts, as reflected on their cancels? (I assume the first is from the main post office.) Manchester Manchester C Manchester F Manchester K Manchester L Manchester P Manchester S Manchester SE Manchester SW Thank You Blair |
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(RCSD) Question: Old Manchester (UK) postal districts
Blair
Can't be too specific but with the probable exception of SE and SW ( and only possibly S ) these may only be check letters for the actual cancelling machine- depending on the period of postmark, Concentrated cancelling centres, particularly in large cities was quite an early innovation. Small offices using CDS usually only cancelled mail for the immediate vicinity which would not require sorting. Postal districts in Manchester were always numbers ( they are perpetuated in current post codes low numbers e.g. M11 is the old manchester 11 postal district - the higher numbers are former seperate towns now within the Greater Manchester postal area ). If we are talking 20th century there is unlikely to be a great deal of significance in the location but there might be significance in the type of mail- and the period. For example some machines only saw use at peak times such as Christmas - and some machines may only be used at peak collection times each day. In more recent times seperate machines have been used to cancel first class and second class mail, Also some machines have been brought into use when a regular machine has broken down. Of course there are always exceptions to any system and quite often there is an overlap between an old system and its eventual replacement. It might be of use to contact a stamp club in the Greater Manchester area or the study group concerned with UK postal mechanisation. Sorry I can't be of more help. Malcolm On Feb 17, 11:08*pm, "Blair (TC)" wrote: Could someone please identify the following (old) Manchester postal districts, as reflected on their cancels? (I assume the first is from the main post office.) Manchester Manchester C Manchester F Manchester K Manchester L Manchester P Manchester S Manchester SE Manchester SW Thank You Blair |
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(RCSD) Question: Old Manchester (UK) postal districts
"malcolm" Can't be too specific but with the probable exception of SE and SW ( and only possibly S ) these may only be check letters for the actual cancelling machine- depending on the period of postmark, That's what I concluded, an area postal district would require a map, and I searched early UK directories without succees 1852-1909 These are the only "districts" I could locate from the Northern Midlands? Directory of 1852 http://cjoint.com/data/ctahpGVtwi.htm |
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(RCSD) Question: Old Manchester (UK) postal districts
On Feb 18, 1:34 pm, malcolm wrote:
Blair Can't be too specific but with the probable exception of SE and SW ( and only possibly S ) these may only be check letters for the actual cancelling machine- depending on the period of postmark, Concentrated cancelling centres, particularly in large cities was quite an early innovation. Small offices using CDS usually only cancelled mail for the immediate vicinity which would not require sorting. Postal districts in Manchester were always numbers ( they are perpetuated in current post codes low numbers e.g. M11 is the old manchester 11 postal district - the higher numbers are former seperate towns now within the Greater Manchester postal area ). If we are talking 20th century there is unlikely to be a great deal of significance in the location but there might be significance in the type of mail- and the period. For example some machines only saw use at peak times such as Christmas - and some machines may only be used at peak collection times each day. In more recent times seperate machines have been used to cancel first class and second class mail, Also some machines have been brought into use when a regular machine has broken down. Of course there are always exceptions to any system and quite often there is an overlap between an old system and its eventual replacement. It might be of use to contact a stamp club in the Greater Manchester area or the study group concerned with UK postal mechanisation. Sorry I can't be of more help. Malcolm Thanks Malcolm and Rod: The cancel that I was thinking of was 1968. http://www.cijoint.fr/cj200802/cij2141413234738.jpg The other cancel letters I found on the web. I thaough that they might be machine IDs, but the Manchester SW, SE ans S threw me off the track. Blair |
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(RCSD) Question: Old Manchester (UK) postal districts
Blair
That is I think likely to be a machine number. I also think the "S" is too - I have Birmingham R, S and T on a series of postmarks of the same period ( as each other but later than yours). The format is identical. Again this is a guess but SE and SW are probably an "intermediate" stage of concentration of postal facilities and may not refer to " Manchester" at all - SE is possibly Stockport,Stalybridge, Hyde and Mossley area while SW could be the noerthern part of what used to be Cheshire before Greater Manchester got their hands on it - Sale,Cheadle etc. Currently Wigan, Bolton and Bury ( in Greater Manchester but North and West of the City) use a generic " Lancashire and South Lakes" postmark, which also includes areas in the county of Lancashire and presumably the south of Cumbria.I haven't seen any recent mail from Manchester so I don't know what postmarks are used there. One of the problems now is that since the creation of the "Metropolitan" counties-Tyneside( based on Newcastle),West Yorkshire( Leeds and Bradford ),South Yorkshire( Sheffield and Doncaster),Merseyside(Liverpool), Greater Manchester and West Midlands (Birmingham and Coventry) - there is even less correlation between "political" and "postal" divisions than before. Malcolm On Feb 19, 1:40*am, "Blair (TC)" wrote: On Feb 18, 1:34 pm, malcolm wrote: Blair Can't be too specific but with the probable exception of SE and SW ( and only possibly S ) these may only be check letters for the actual cancelling machine- depending on the period of postmark, Concentrated cancelling centres, particularly in large cities was quite an early innovation. Small offices using CDS usually only cancelled mail for the immediate vicinity which would not require sorting. Postal districts in Manchester were always numbers ( they are perpetuated in current post codes low numbers e.g. M11 is the old manchester 11 postal district - the higher numbers are former seperate towns now within the Greater Manchester postal area ). If we are talking 20th century there is unlikely to be a great deal of significance in the location but there might be significance in the type of mail- and the period. For example some machines only saw use at peak times such as Christmas - and some machines may only be used at peak collection times each day. In more recent times seperate machines have been used to cancel first class and second class mail, Also some machines have been brought into use when a regular machine has broken down. Of course there are always exceptions to any system and quite often there is an overlap between an old system and its eventual replacement. It might be of use to contact a stamp club in the Greater Manchester area or the study group concerned with UK postal mechanisation. Sorry I can't be of more help. Malcolm Thanks Malcolm and Rod: The cancel that I was thinking of was 1968. *http://www.cijoint.fr/cj200802/cij2141413234738.jpg The other cancel letters I found on the web. I thaough that they might be machine IDs, but the Manchester SW, SE ans S threw me off the track. Blair- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
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