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Old March 12th 07, 06:41 AM posted to alt.collecting.pens-pencils
Sonny
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I currently write with Pelikan Brown. It has become my standard for taking
notes, and signing documents, checks contracts, etc. I recently spilled
some water on notes that I was taking. I couldn't believe how badly the
Pelikan brown washed out. I was writing on a yellow legal pad, and the
print was pretty much unreadable where the water spilled. Is there another
more durable brown ink that is close in color to Pelikan? I ordered some
"Eternal Brown" which should arrive this week. But the samples I saw of the
Eternal Brown seem sort of dull and less bold than the Pelikan. Anyone know
of a closer match in a more durable ink?

Thank you in advance for your comments.

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Old March 12th 07, 08:47 PM posted to alt.collecting.pens-pencils
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"Sonny" writes:

I ordered some "Eternal Brown" which should arrive this week. But the
samples I saw of the Eternal Brown seem sort of dull and less bold
than the Pelikan. Anyone know of a closer match in a more durable ink?


Noodler's Ink Walnut has so called "near-bullet-proof" status. If all
you need is waterproofnes, maybe that's enough for you. But its colour
is almost black. How about mixing it with that Eternal Brown?


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Old March 13th 07, 06:01 AM posted to alt.collecting.pens-pencils
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Default Water Resistant Brown Ink

You know... I never actually gave much thought to mixing my own colors. It
may come to that. I was hoping for an easy solution. If I can't find a
good out-of-the-box alternative to Peilkan brown, I will certainly be
willing to do a little experimentation. Thank you for the suggestion.

Cliff





"Juhapekka Tolvanen" wrote in message
...


"Sonny" writes:

I ordered some "Eternal Brown" which should arrive this week. But the
samples I saw of the Eternal Brown seem sort of dull and less bold
than the Pelikan. Anyone know of a closer match in a more durable ink?


Noodler's Ink Walnut has so called "near-bullet-proof" status. If all
you need is waterproofnes, maybe that's enough for you. But its colour
is almost black. How about mixing it with that Eternal Brown?


--
Juhapekka "naula" Tolvanen * http colon slash slash iki dot fi slash
juhtolv
"Du hast mich gefragt, und ich hab nichts gesagt. Willst du bis der Tod
euch
scheidet treu ihr sein für alle Tage? Nein. Nein. Willst du bis zum Tod
der
Scheide sie lieben auch in schlechten Tagen? Nein. Nein."
Rammstein



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Old March 16th 07, 05:22 AM posted to alt.collecting.pens-pencils
Sonny
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Default Water Resistant Brown Ink

My Noodler's Eternal Brown arrived today. The ink looks to be the color of
mud in the bottle. I did a little test myself. I wrote on the paper that
my business checks come on. The Pelikan faded a great deal, but did remain
visible. The Noodler's Eternal Brown remained unchanged; amazing! For fun,
I poured a weak bleach solution over the paper. The Pelikan Brown vanished
completely. The Noodler's still remained unchanged. The down side is the
appearance of the Noodler's. It is indeed brown. But is appears more dull,
and seems to bleed into the paper somewhat. The Pelikan Brown is such a
lively color. And the line remains thin without any detectable bleeding.

For business checks, the decision is simple. Pelikan Brown can be
completely removed, and I just can't have that. So I'll use the Noodler's
for business, and the Pelikan for writing letters and writing in my journal.
I will be on the look out for another solution though. Someone suggested
mixing the inks. I do plan to try that. There may be a nice compromise
with a mixture of the Pelikan and the Noodler's. I'll post the results when
I get a chance to mix up a batch.

I am also in the process of looking into the inks suggested in Greg Clark's
torture test. Thank you for your comments!

Sonny



"j. fabian" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Sonny" wrote:

I currently write with Pelikan Brown. It has become my standard for
taking
notes, and signing documents, checks contracts, etc. I recently spilled
some water on notes that I was taking. I couldn't believe how badly the
Pelikan brown washed out.


Interesting to note that in Greg Clark's water "torture tests" Pelikan
Brown rated only "Fair", the next to lowest rating. None of the brown
inks rated the highest, "Excellent". The following rated "Very Good",
the second highest rating:

Aldine Amber; Colorado Sepia Scented; Omas Sepia; Penman Mocha; Rotring
Sienna Brown; Visconti Sepia Brown. These are from the 1999 version of
Greg's "Fountain Pen Inks: A Sampler".

Here is his torture test:

"Each sheet of inks being tested was completely submerged in water and
agitated gently for five seconds. The pages were removed from the water
and allowed to drain for about ten seconds and then re-submerged. The
pages were submerged three or four times depending on how many dunkings
were required to have the ink samples stop obviously bleeding down the
paper."

Copyright (c) 1997, Gregory E. Clark, D.C.
Used in the spirit of Fair Use

jf

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well, it looked good on paper



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Old March 16th 07, 08:09 PM posted to alt.collecting.pens-pencils
Robert Wiersema
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Default Water Resistant Brown Ink

You could lighten the eternal brown with a bit of Noodler's Firefly. Might
be worth a shot...

"Sonny" wrote in message
...
My Noodler's Eternal Brown arrived today. The ink looks to be the color
of mud in the bottle. I did a little test myself. I wrote on the paper
that my business checks come on. The Pelikan faded a great deal, but did
remain visible. The Noodler's Eternal Brown remained unchanged; amazing!
For fun, I poured a weak bleach solution over the paper. The Pelikan
Brown vanished completely. The Noodler's still remained unchanged. The
down side is the appearance of the Noodler's. It is indeed brown. But is
appears more dull, and seems to bleed into the paper somewhat. The
Pelikan Brown is such a lively color. And the line remains thin without
any detectable bleeding.

For business checks, the decision is simple. Pelikan Brown can be
completely removed, and I just can't have that. So I'll use the Noodler's
for business, and the Pelikan for writing letters and writing in my
journal. I will be on the look out for another solution though. Someone
suggested mixing the inks. I do plan to try that. There may be a nice
compromise with a mixture of the Pelikan and the Noodler's. I'll post the
results when I get a chance to mix up a batch.

I am also in the process of looking into the inks suggested in Greg
Clark's torture test. Thank you for your comments!

Sonny



"j. fabian" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Sonny" wrote:

I currently write with Pelikan Brown. It has become my standard for
taking
notes, and signing documents, checks contracts, etc. I recently spilled
some water on notes that I was taking. I couldn't believe how badly the
Pelikan brown washed out.


Interesting to note that in Greg Clark's water "torture tests" Pelikan
Brown rated only "Fair", the next to lowest rating. None of the brown
inks rated the highest, "Excellent". The following rated "Very Good",
the second highest rating:

Aldine Amber; Colorado Sepia Scented; Omas Sepia; Penman Mocha; Rotring
Sienna Brown; Visconti Sepia Brown. These are from the 1999 version of
Greg's "Fountain Pen Inks: A Sampler".

Here is his torture test:

"Each sheet of inks being tested was completely submerged in water and
agitated gently for five seconds. The pages were removed from the water
and allowed to drain for about ten seconds and then re-submerged. The
pages were submerged three or four times depending on how many dunkings
were required to have the ink samples stop obviously bleeding down the
paper."

Copyright (c) 1997, Gregory E. Clark, D.C.
Used in the spirit of Fair Use

jf

--
well, it looked good on paper





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Old March 17th 07, 03:01 AM posted to alt.collecting.pens-pencils
Sonny
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Default Water Resistant Brown Ink

I just read my last post. I somehow made no mention that the first part of
my test was to pour water on the inks. Bleach was the second part of the
test.

I was in the Fountain Pen Shop in Monrovia, California this afternoon. Fred
carries Noodler's, so wish I'd have thought of looking at Noodler's other
colors. Somehow, I wound up leaving with a bottle of Waterman South Sea
Blue. Maybe I'll take a look at the "Firefly" on my next trip down South.
It's a 300 mile round trip for me. So the experiment will have to wait
until I have more business down there. A bright red might be just the trick
to brighten up the Noodler's Eternal Brown.

Sonny


"Robert Wiersema" wrote in message
news:XXBKh.25197$DN.4547@pd7urf2no...
You could lighten the eternal brown with a bit of Noodler's Firefly.
Might be worth a shot...

"Sonny" wrote in message
...
My Noodler's Eternal Brown arrived today. The ink looks to be the color
of mud in the bottle. I did a little test myself. I wrote on the paper
that my business checks come on. The Pelikan faded a great deal, but did
remain visible. The Noodler's Eternal Brown remained unchanged; amazing!
For fun, I poured a weak bleach solution over the paper. The Pelikan
Brown vanished completely. The Noodler's still remained unchanged. The
down side is the appearance of the Noodler's. It is indeed brown. But
is appears more dull, and seems to bleed into the paper somewhat. The
Pelikan Brown is such a lively color. And the line remains thin without
any detectable bleeding.

For business checks, the decision is simple. Pelikan Brown can be
completely removed, and I just can't have that. So I'll use the
Noodler's for business, and the Pelikan for writing letters and writing
in my journal. I will be on the look out for another solution though.
Someone suggested mixing the inks. I do plan to try that. There may be
a nice compromise with a mixture of the Pelikan and the Noodler's. I'll
post the results when I get a chance to mix up a batch.

I am also in the process of looking into the inks suggested in Greg
Clark's torture test. Thank you for your comments!

Sonny



"j. fabian" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Sonny" wrote:

I currently write with Pelikan Brown. It has become my standard for
taking
notes, and signing documents, checks contracts, etc. I recently
spilled
some water on notes that I was taking. I couldn't believe how badly
the
Pelikan brown washed out.

Interesting to note that in Greg Clark's water "torture tests" Pelikan
Brown rated only "Fair", the next to lowest rating. None of the brown
inks rated the highest, "Excellent". The following rated "Very Good",
the second highest rating:

Aldine Amber; Colorado Sepia Scented; Omas Sepia; Penman Mocha; Rotring
Sienna Brown; Visconti Sepia Brown. These are from the 1999 version of
Greg's "Fountain Pen Inks: A Sampler".

Here is his torture test:

"Each sheet of inks being tested was completely submerged in water and
agitated gently for five seconds. The pages were removed from the water
and allowed to drain for about ten seconds and then re-submerged. The
pages were submerged three or four times depending on how many dunkings
were required to have the ink samples stop obviously bleeding down the
paper."

Copyright (c) 1997, Gregory E. Clark, D.C.
Used in the spirit of Fair Use

jf

--
well, it looked good on paper







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Old March 17th 07, 05:51 PM posted to alt.collecting.pens-pencils
Brian Ketterling
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"R. Paul Martin" wrote in message

On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 19:01:22 -0700, "Sonny"
wrote:

I was in the Fountain Pen Shop in Monrovia, California this afternoon.
Fred carries Noodler's, so wish I'd have thought of looking at Noodler's
other colors. Somehow, I wound up leaving with a bottle of Waterman
South Sea Blue...


If you want to try mixing that South Seas Blue with the
Eternal Brown you may want to mix very little of the two...

Also, I once had a problem with Noodler's Gulf Stream Blue mixing with
Waterman's Florida Blue. After a while they reacted and I ended up
with a gel instead of a liquid.


I think he was just saying that he bought Waterman instead of Noodler's, not
that he wanted to mix them, but I'd agree that Noodler's shouldn't be mixed
with other brands. It's odd stuff, and probably not really compatible with
most other inks.

Brian
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Old March 17th 07, 07:24 PM posted to alt.collecting.pens-pencils
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Default Water Resistant Brown Ink

From your comments, I get the idea that it is probably safer to mix
Noodler's with Noodler's. At least I'll try that first. The South Sea Blue
wasn't for mixing. I just like trying new colors, and the Waterman Blue
seemed like a great change of pace. I take lots of notes during negotiating
sessions. So I alternate colors from one session to the other. It helps
identify one day from another at a glance.

I think that I'll try a fairly bright red from Noodler's to give the Eternal
Brown a little more punch. I'll let you know how that works out. Thank you
for your suggestions

Sonny



"R. Paul Martin" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 19:01:22 -0700, "Sonny"
wrote:

I just read my last post. I somehow made no mention that the first part
of
my test was to pour water on the inks. Bleach was the second part of the
test.

I was in the Fountain Pen Shop in Monrovia, California this afternoon.
Fred
carries Noodler's, so wish I'd have thought of looking at Noodler's other
colors. Somehow, I wound up leaving with a bottle of Waterman South Sea
Blue. Maybe I'll take a look at the "Firefly" on my next trip down South.
It's a 300 mile round trip for me. So the experiment will have to wait
until I have more business down there. A bright red might be just the
trick
to brighten up the Noodler's Eternal Brown.


Mixing is a good idea. I do that a lot.

If you want to try mixing that South Seas Blue with the
Eternal Brown you may want to mix very little of the two. In my
experiments blues and browns produce rather boring grays.

Also, I once had a problem with Noodler's Gulf Stream Blue mixing with
Waterman's Florida Blue. After a while they reacted and I ended up
with a gel instead of a liquid. Clogged the pen up completely. But I
was able to wash it all out. It probably has something to do with the
pH levels of the Waterman's inks. The Noodler's inks all have a
neutral pH.

For mixing with the Eternal Brown you might try Noodler's Standard
Brown or some of the other Noodler's browns. They mix all right with
each other since they're all neutral pH inks. You could also look at
Swisher Pens Grizzly ink. It's an "eternal" brown ink made by Nathan
Tardif, who makes all of the Noodler's inks. Maybe it'll give you a
brown that you like better.

Good luck and do let us know what you settle on for a mixture.



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Old March 17th 07, 09:22 PM posted to alt.collecting.pens-pencils
Juhapekka Tolvanen
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Default Water Resistant Brown Ink



"Sonny" writes:

Someone suggested mixing the inks. I do plan to try that. There may be
a nice compromise with a mixture of the Pelikan and the Noodler's.
I'll post the results when I get a chance to mix up a batch.


If you mix some bullet-proof inks, then you can not be sure about
bullet-proof properties, anymore. But at least they stay water-proof, if
you mix two bullet-proof inks. If you mix bullet-proof ink with some
normal ink, it behaves like this, when soaked with water: That normal
ink goes away and bullet-proof ink stays.


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"Du hast mich gefragt, und ich hab nichts gesagt. Willst du bis der Tod euch
scheidet treu ihr sein für alle Tage? Nein. Nein. Willst du bis zum Tod der
Scheide sie lieben auch in schlechten Tagen? Nein. Nein." Rammstein
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Old March 17th 07, 09:25 PM posted to alt.collecting.pens-pencils
Juhapekka Tolvanen
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"Sonny" writes:

A bright red might be just the trick to brighten up the Noodler's
Eternal Brown.


I suggest you use Noodler's Ink Fox Red for that purpose, because it is
bullet-proof, too.


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"Du hast mich gefragt, und ich hab nichts gesagt. Willst du bis der Tod euch
scheidet treu ihr sein für alle Tage? Nein. Nein. Willst du bis zum Tod der
Scheide sie lieben auch in schlechten Tagen? Nein. Nein." Rammstein
 




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