Pelikan 605?

Quick question - are there any differences between this pen and the
Souveran 600, besides the colour and trim? Nib, body, etc. the same?

Well, Usenet's just too darn slow! Levenger is selling 605's right
now for $99.95 USD plus shipping. I didn't get a chance to try out
either the 400 or 600, but for this price, I figured I couldn't go
wrong. I went with the fine nib, so we'll see how it goes. Anyway,
terrific sale right now!

"Txiasaeia" wrote in message
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Well, Usenet's just too darn slow! Levenger is selling 605's right
now for $99.95 USD plus shipping. I didn't get a chance to try out
either the 400 or 600, but for this price, I figured I couldn't go
wrong. I went with the fine nib, so we'll see how it goes. Anyway,
terrific sale right now!

there shouldn't be any difference at all among the 600 line other than
colors.

I have looked at that price and it is quite good. Especially with that
funky little blue bird bird holder. :-) too bad there's no $ in my pen
budget right now.

Lets us know what you think. In all likelihood, if you decide you don't
like it 1) Levenger has an excellent return policy 2) you could probably
sell it at your cost or very slightly below on one of the boards.

"KCat" wrote in message
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"Txiasaeia" wrote in message
om...
Well, Usenet's just too darn slow! Levenger is selling 605's right
now for $99.95 USD plus shipping. I didn't get a chance to try out
either the 400 or 600, but for this price, I figured I couldn't go
wrong. I went with the fine nib, so we'll see how it goes. Anyway,
terrific sale right now!

there shouldn't be any difference at all among the 600 line other than
colors.

......
I believe that some of the 620s come with an 18K gold nib; the 605s
with a 14K gold nib. Otherwise the same body and the nibs can be
interchanged. But then I have no idea what the writing difference
between 14 & 18K nibs would be. Does anyone?
......

Lets us know what you think. In all likelihood, if you decide you don't
like it 1) Levenger has an excellent return policy 2) you could probably
sell it at your cost or very slightly below on one of the boards.

Agree on you comments on Levenger. They will go out of their way to
ensure customer satisfaction.

pavane

pavane wrote:

I believe that some of the 620s come with an 18K gold nib; the 605s
with a 14K gold nib. Otherwise the same body and the nibs can be
interchanged. But then I have no idea what the writing difference
between 14 & 18K nibs would be. Does anyone?

Some say the 14K always writes better than the 18K, because the non-gold
metals give superior spring/flex, while the gold itself is quite soft
(pure gold is mushy compared to other metals).

Others say the variation from one pen to the next is often greater than
the variation of 14K to 18K.

Nobody claims 18K consistently writes better, in my experience.

David

On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 19:27:51 GMT, "pavane"
said:


pavane ..... I believe that some of the 620s come with an 18K
pavane gold nib; the 605s with a 14K gold nib. Otherwise the
pavane same body and the nibs can be interchanged. But then I
pavane have no idea what the writing difference between 14 & 18K
pavane nibs would be. Does anyone? .....

in my experience with pelikan m800 nibs, the 18k nibs are less
springy. if you push down on them, nothing much happens. on the
other hand, the tines of a 14k m800 nib will spread a bit. when the
pressure subsides, the tines spring back to into their normal
position. the m800 nibs are too rigid to be called flexible, but i
feel feedback in my hand. i don't get this with the 18k nibs.
(however, once you know -- or think you know --this, you treat the
nibs differently and objectivity goes out the window.)

obviously, nib design has more to do with performance than metal
content; there are 14k manifold nibs and 14k ultra-flex nibs.
Assuming everything else is the same, i'd choose the 14k every time.


--


Half a mind is a terrible thing to waste!

"Garglemonster" wrote in message
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On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 19:27:51 GMT, "pavane"
said:


pavane ..... I believe that some of the 620s come with an 18K
pavane gold nib; the 605s with a 14K gold nib. Otherwise the
pavane same body and the nibs can be interchanged. But then I
pavane have no idea what the writing difference between 14 & 18K
pavane nibs would be. Does anyone? .....

in my experience with pelikan m800 nibs, the 18k nibs are less
springy. if you push down on them, nothing much happens. on the
other hand, the tines of a 14k m800 nib will spread a bit. when the
pressure subsides, the tines spring back to into their normal
position. the m800 nibs are too rigid to be called flexible, but i
feel feedback in my hand. i don't get this with the 18k nibs.
(however, once you know -- or think you know --this, you treat the
nibs differently and objectivity goes out the window.)

obviously, nib design has more to do with performance than metal
content; there are 14k manifold nibs and 14k ultra-flex nibs.
Assuming everything else is the same, i'd choose the 14k every time.


Thanks to both of you for your information. I had the unexpected
chance to experiment for myself as I have a Pelikan 400, 14K M, which
I am exchanging through Levengers for a Pelikan Stockholm 620, 18K M,
which arrived last night so I got to use both pens together. I agree that
the 14K nib is a bit more flexible but the 18K is incredibly smooth, edging
out a Conway Stewart as the smoothest writing pen that I own. I found a
significant difference in the feel of the pens, as the 400 was not
comfortable
and turned out to be too small; the 620 is perfect for my hand. Both are
gorgeous pens, beautifully made and finished, and in perfect condition from
the Outlet area at Levengers. It is so nice when products and vendors and
everything work together as they should.

pavane

pavane wrote:

Thanks to both of you for your information. I had the unexpected
chance to experiment for myself as I have a Pelikan 400, 14K M, which
I am exchanging through Levengers for a Pelikan Stockholm 620, 18K M,
which arrived last night so I got to use both pens together. I agree that
the 14K nib is a bit more flexible but the 18K is incredibly smooth, edging
out a Conway Stewart as the smoothest writing pen that I own. I found a
significant difference in the feel of the pens, as the 400 was not
comfortable
and turned out to be too small; the 620 is perfect for my hand. Both are
gorgeous pens, beautifully made and finished, and in perfect condition from
the Outlet area at Levengers. It is so nice when products and vendors and
everything work together as they should.

Good to hear you found something that really suits you.

The 18K is only smooth because somebody did a good job of making it that
way - it has nothing to do with the gold content (the gold doesn't touch
the paper). A person who's good at finishing nibs could make the 400
write just as smoothly - but you don't really care, because now you have
a pen that feels better to you anyway. Happy writing!

David

all correctly adjusted Pelikan nibs should write this way.
two quick observations when purchasing in person...obviously, always see
that the tynes (tines) are even. Look at the nib head-on, and see if
it's rotated on the feed. This often happens when the untame hand
removes and returns the nib to and from the barrel.

When I dip any nib, if there's not always immediate flow when the nib
touches the paper, I pass. While there are a few causes of this, it is
the one thing that will require more than a quick and simple adjustment.

Pelikanyo Paul

"Dave" wrote in message
...
pavane wrote:

Thanks to both of you for your information. I had the unexpected
chance to experiment for myself as I have a Pelikan 400, 14K M,
which
I am exchanging through Levengers for a Pelikan Stockholm 620, 18K
M,
which arrived last night so I got to use both pens together. I
agree that
the 14K nib is a bit more flexible but the 18K is incredibly smooth,
edging
out a Conway Stewart as the smoothest writing pen that I own. I
found a
significant difference in the feel of the pens, as the 400 was not
comfortable
and turned out to be too small; the 620 is perfect for my hand.
Both are
gorgeous pens, beautifully made and finished, and in perfect
condition from
the Outlet area at Levengers. It is so nice when products and
vendors and
everything work together as they should.

Good to hear you found something that really suits you.

The 18K is only smooth because somebody did a good job of making it
that
way - it has nothing to do with the gold content (the gold doesn't
touch
the paper). A person who's good at finishing nibs could make the 400
write just as smoothly - but you don't really care, because now you
have
a pen that feels better to you anyway. Happy writing!

David

Arrgh! This whole business with Levenger is getting extremely
frustrating! The price for the pen is great, no complaints, but they
were originally going to ship it to me by FedEx Ground which has a
huge brokerage fee once it gets into Canada (about $25 USD plus duty,
cuz Pelikans aren't made in the US). I called two days ago and asked
that they switch it over to USPS Express, and the customer rep at the
time said that it was no problem. The order was updated to reflect
the new shipping option. Then, this morning I check again and it's
been changed *back* to FedEx Ground! I called up Levenger again and
they say that there's nothing that they can do at this point, that
it's being processed and is about to be shipped. Apparently it's a
company policy to not ship via USPS.

Basically this first customer rep cost me $25 USD, which could have
been completely avoided had I payed an extra $5 USD to upgrade the
shipping to FedEx Air (which I only discovered this morning).

The reps were very friendly (as was I; I'm a CSR too when I'm not in
school, and I've put up with enough jerks yelling at me to last a
lifetime), but still, what the heck?!? They said they'd contact
customer care and see what they could do, but at this point (!) I
think that I'm going to end up choking on FedEx's brokerage fee. Even
if I return the pen I'm out this money.

Let this be a lesson to all of you Americans out there shipping to
Canada: if you want to tick us off, ship via UPS Standard or FedEx
Ground - the brokerage fee for UPS Standard is $35 USD + a percentage
of the cost of the item (10% or so) + 7% GST, and the fee for FedEx is
$25 USD + 5% of the cost + 7% GST. Cost for USPS Priority? $5 CAD
surcharge + GST. That's it. Now you know