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I'd love a list of people Ebay has booted and the reasons why.... they
should publicize it. On 4 Nov 2005 14:01:59 -0800, "barefoot" wrote: oh no...i'm totally for your point of view...i think something's gotten askew in the argument...that's not what i'm doing at all...what i'm saying is that you yourself should allow the ridicule that you yourself has done...without allowing ANYONE to view your own auctions, you are basically hiding the same way everyone else does... i honestly have no reputation for anything bad...but in the same way, i get the ridiculer because i do the exact same thing you are doing...a few years ago, i was willing to include EVERY person on ebay that i knew and pretty much be a tattle tale..but i got the threats and it's where all the ill will towards me went...no one ever went on the record here to say that my account with ebay was re instated quite some time ago. but instead i got the rips and the lies... so be the crusader you want to be...but do you get your autographs yourself, or are you selling someone else's stuff...because if you are, chances are, you are selling fakes yourself...and you don't allow any one who's gotten the same people you sell, to judge your own stuff . as a result, you try to keep yourself from the same ridicule that you yourself is placing on others...so you call out bad people, that's excellent...where can you base your opinions? do you get stuff yourself? have you actually seen people sign... i know you are right...there are plenty of people doing exactly what you say...but who's to say that one of those people aren't selling to you... all's i'm asking is that you place your head on the chopping block too...keep yourself off your high horse and bring yourself in to a posistion to be counted as an expert...don't hide...put yourself right out there...it's what separates autographworld from the countless other people who do bad business...what they do is stick their neck outthere and point out the bad people...they let you know that they said it...they don't hide AND want the accolades....and that's all i'm asking you to do... mike |
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Thank you for your input, Sue. I completely agree and we are trying to get
eBay to do that, or at least allow us to do that. I think they'll allow us to publicize booted sellers but probably not reprimanded sellers. eBay execs are currently discussing the issue and hopefully we'll hear back from them soon. "Sue H" wrote in message ... I'd love a list of people Ebay has booted and the reasons why.... they should publicize it. On 4 Nov 2005 14:01:59 -0800, "barefoot" wrote: oh no...i'm totally for your point of view...i think something's gotten askew in the argument...that's not what i'm doing at all...what i'm saying is that you yourself should allow the ridicule that you yourself has done...without allowing ANYONE to view your own auctions, you are basically hiding the same way everyone else does... i honestly have no reputation for anything bad...but in the same way, i get the ridiculer because i do the exact same thing you are doing...a few years ago, i was willing to include EVERY person on ebay that i knew and pretty much be a tattle tale..but i got the threats and it's where all the ill will towards me went...no one ever went on the record here to say that my account with ebay was re instated quite some time ago. but instead i got the rips and the lies... so be the crusader you want to be...but do you get your autographs yourself, or are you selling someone else's stuff...because if you are, chances are, you are selling fakes yourself...and you don't allow any one who's gotten the same people you sell, to judge your own stuff . as a result, you try to keep yourself from the same ridicule that you yourself is placing on others...so you call out bad people, that's excellent...where can you base your opinions? do you get stuff yourself? have you actually seen people sign... i know you are right...there are plenty of people doing exactly what you say...but who's to say that one of those people aren't selling to you... all's i'm asking is that you place your head on the chopping block too...keep yourself off your high horse and bring yourself in to a posistion to be counted as an expert...don't hide...put yourself right out there...it's what separates autographworld from the countless other people who do bad business...what they do is stick their neck outthere and point out the bad people...they let you know that they said it...they don't hide AND want the accolades....and that's all i'm asking you to do... mike |
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Sue,
Of course, all of the points you raise have been discussed, debated, considered and accounted for. For the record, it is indeed impossible to have 20, 30 of the same mega-stars week in and week out and sell them at pennies on the dollar. If you look at the sellers who are doing that, you'll also clearly see that those items don't match any established exemplars. Nothing will be removed without overwhelming proof that it's bad. I also understand that some of these measures have been implemented in other categories (I believe coins and stamps are two of them). "Sue H" wrote in message ... Although on surface it seems a good thing (I am all for stomping out forgers); we are treading on difficult territory. One must be CERTAIN they are fakes and have proof. That's why Ebay is reluctant to deal with this area in the first place. They are opening themselves up, as are you... Just because someone sells 30 of something doesn't mean it's fake. Probably is but you have to PROVE it. On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 18:59:25 GMT, "Auto Cop" wrote: Hi Gang, Just wanted to share some news that I hope you'll all enjoy. I am a fairly large, long-time autograph dealer (mainly sports) and we have been selling on eBay for quite some time. As you all know, the amount of forgeries on eBay is obsene and we get emails all the time from collectors who have been burned by buying bad autographs on eBay. We (myself and some other reputable sellers) have been lobbying eBay for a long, long time to put some things in place to address this problem, but up till now, our efforts have been mostly futile. Well, due a string of circumstances (which I can't go into at this point) times they are a changin' and eBay has done a complete 180. In the last two days, eBay has suspended two of the worst offenders and has canceled the listings of several others. This is the tip of the iceberg... there is much more to come. Our strategy all along has been to work with eBay on this; not shout at them. As a result, we have developed some great relationships with some influential people within eBay; therefore, I want to be careful what I disclose here. Also, due to a variety of factors (I'm sure you all understand what I mean), those of us involved in this prefer to keep our own names, etc. private. However, I'd like to keep the "autograph community" updated on the progress we're making. I've asked eBay for permission to post the usernames of the sellers who have been suspended or reprimanded by eBay. I've also asked for permission to reveal some of the other changes that are in the works and/or under consideration. So far, I haven't received that permission so I'll honor that. If/When I get it, I'll share more. In the meantime, if you guys see egregious examples of sports autograph forgeries or forgers on eBay, please feel free to post them and we will make sure they are forwarded on for review. We hope to eventually convince eBay to expand some of the upcoming changes into the entertainment autograph section as well, but for now, our focus is on the sports category. Thanks, Guys, and Happy Collecting! |
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It's about time that the Powers That Be at Ebay were slapped awake. From
what you've reported though, it sounds like you have woke up the beast. Whether they are going to stand up completely to their promise to clean house and disregard the all mighty buck, that is yet to be seen. lol I applaud the steps that you are helping to get in motion. Keep up the great work and maybe Ebay will be worth buying from again without 7 to 1 odds of getting burned by some jerk with a Sharpie fetish and too much time on his/her hands. :-) -- Mike Gummby3 ~~ Star Collector ~~ www.star-collector.net Celebrity addresses the way they should be - free. "Auto Cop" wrote in message news:%_Paf.541324$xm3.160182@attbi_s21... Mike, O.K., so I'm a coward. Fine... your reputation precedes you so I'm really not concerned what you think regardless of your silly, rambling screed. If you have a problem with eBay weeding out autograph forgers then I think it's you that has the problem. It's not me that will be making the decisions about who is suspended or reprimanded so your attempt to make this about me makes no sense. Unfortunately, at this point, I'm not at liberty to go into how those decisions will be made. Would I personally benefit from the expulsion of autograph forgers? Yes, of course. I have a wife and three kids to support and I'm tired of having to try to compete with forgers. And to be completely honest, that's part of my agenda. The rest of my agenda includes the fact that I receive many, many emails from people who have made investments in autographs only to find out later that they were ripped off. These people range from aggravated to distraught. I feel deeply for these people... I hate seeing anyone get ripped off. So Mike, you can bomb-throw all you want. I'm not going to waste my precious time replying to any more of your nonsense. I simply came here to report that, after much hard work, eBay has finally been convinced to tackle the forgery problem and they want as much community input as possible regarding who the bad sellers are. We're not talking about the hobby seller who occassionally, unwittingly sells a bad autograph. We're talking about ridding eBay of Vinnie who sits in the back room with a Sharpie forging hundreds of autographs every day. Again, if you can't support that, then you have the problem. Period. This isn't a witch hunt... it's a garbage collection. For those of you who think it's a good thing that eBay is finally addressing this, we'd love to hear your comments and suggestions. If you don't think it's a good thing, we'd love to hear from you, too. All I ask is that you be civil. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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again, i'm not discounting his measures...in fact, he's preaching to
the choir on this one...all i'm saying is that he should let HIS stuff be stood up and accounted for... there are plenty of people out there seing fake stuff that don't know it, and fight hard like he's claiming to do...only to be unknowingly selling bad stuff...his reluctance to state his seller name shows his fear that HE may be brought out too... and yes, i was suspended for unscrupuous behavior. but have been deemed worthy by the ewbay community once again. and i sign my name to everything, and i let anyone know exactly what i am selling... and i wish that by people pulling bad stuff off ebay would actually help (especially during the holidays since little kids buy autographs for dad and dad buys that michael vick auto his kid wants and neither knows they are buying fake stuff) that's besides the point...LET US KNOW WHO YOU ARE, JUDGE NOT LEST YE BE JUDGED! mike |
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Mike, I can see Auto Cop's point of view. He, as well as others in his
group, have stirred up a hornet's nest by pressing Ebay to, shocks of shocks, police themselves and not just rake in the money from each and every sale regardless of the contents. I would seriously think that AC's auctions are being put under a microscope each time a new entry is put up for sale. They don't want negative publicity by booting off forgers just to be conned by a forger themselves (not saying AC is one in the least... just an example). I don't see any reason for AC to "put his neck out" as he is being watched by a hawk to make sure that he is up and up. -- Mike Gummby3 ~~ Star Collector ~~ www.star-collector.net Celebrity addresses the way they should be - free. "barefoot" wrote in message oups.com... again, i'm not discounting his measures...in fact, he's preaching to the choir on this one...all i'm saying is that he should let HIS stuff be stood up and accounted for... there are plenty of people out there seing fake stuff that don't know it, and fight hard like he's claiming to do...only to be unknowingly selling bad stuff...his reluctance to state his seller name shows his fear that HE may be brought out too... and yes, i was suspended for unscrupuous behavior. but have been deemed worthy by the ewbay community once again. and i sign my name to everything, and i let anyone know exactly what i am selling... and i wish that by people pulling bad stuff off ebay would actually help (especially during the holidays since little kids buy autographs for dad and dad buys that michael vick auto his kid wants and neither knows they are buying fake stuff) that's besides the point...LET US KNOW WHO YOU ARE, JUDGE NOT LEST YE BE JUDGED! mike ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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Mike,
O.K., first you annoyed me, then you angered me, now you're just making me laugh. You can say whatever you want about me, I simply don't care. Again, my stuff on eBay is just as available for scrutiny as every other sellers. If I were a forger and if I were not a recognized expert in my field and if I had any question about what I was selling I'd be an idiot to push for what I've been pushing for the last 5+ years. If you're too thick to understand that, I can't help you. The people involved in this effort are some of the most respected people in the field (dealers and collectors). For someone like you to cast aspersions on this group is quite humorous. Again, if you can't support the effort because you can't get your curiousity satisfied, then that's your prerogative. "barefoot" wrote in message oups.com... again, i'm not discounting his measures...in fact, he's preaching to the choir on this one...all i'm saying is that he should let HIS stuff be stood up and accounted for... there are plenty of people out there seing fake stuff that don't know it, and fight hard like he's claiming to do...only to be unknowingly selling bad stuff...his reluctance to state his seller name shows his fear that HE may be brought out too... and yes, i was suspended for unscrupuous behavior. but have been deemed worthy by the ewbay community once again. and i sign my name to everything, and i let anyone know exactly what i am selling... and i wish that by people pulling bad stuff off ebay would actually help (especially during the holidays since little kids buy autographs for dad and dad buys that michael vick auto his kid wants and neither knows they are buying fake stuff) that's besides the point...LET US KNOW WHO YOU ARE, JUDGE NOT LEST YE BE JUDGED! mike |
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Unfortunately though, the almighty buck wins out most times;
especially if they've got a nice grey area to fall back upon and with autographs, it's one of the most grey areas that sell... much like forging a painting or selling knockoff bags or clothes but representing them as real. And the problem with those, like autographs, is without seeing them in person, it's often hard to tell. On Fri, 4 Nov 2005 18:04:18 -0600, "Gummby3" wrote: It's about time that the Powers That Be at Ebay were slapped awake. From what you've reported though, it sounds like you have woke up the beast. Whether they are going to stand up completely to their promise to clean house and disregard the all mighty buck, that is yet to be seen. lol I applaud the steps that you are helping to get in motion. Keep up the great work and maybe Ebay will be worth buying from again without 7 to 1 odds of getting burned by some jerk with a Sharpie fetish and too much time on his/her hands. :-) |
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I do agree that Ebay shouldn't necessarily by one person's or one
businesses "word" ... especially when they have no degree in authentication. We need to be a community and to do that, I also agree names should not be withheld. People need to work together. On the surface, it DOES appear that one can go to Ebay, say this and that is fake it COULD seem that they are dealers trying to boost their own name. Also, Ebay DOES need to check into them. For example, if I email them, I would most certainly like them to research me. See who I am, what I do, talk to me to find out my motivations. I would welcome that. Goodness often wins out, but usually after eons of being opressed. On 4 Nov 2005 16:06:00 -0800, "barefoot" wrote: again, i'm not discounting his measures...in fact, he's preaching to the choir on this one...all i'm saying is that he should let HIS stuff be stood up and accounted for... there are plenty of people out there seing fake stuff that don't know it, and fight hard like he's claiming to do...only to be unknowingly selling bad stuff...his reluctance to state his seller name shows his fear that HE may be brought out too... and yes, i was suspended for unscrupuous behavior. but have been deemed worthy by the ewbay community once again. and i sign my name to everything, and i let anyone know exactly what i am selling... and i wish that by people pulling bad stuff off ebay would actually help (especially during the holidays since little kids buy autographs for dad and dad buys that michael vick auto his kid wants and neither knows they are buying fake stuff) that's besides the point...LET US KNOW WHO YOU ARE, JUDGE NOT LEST YE BE JUDGED! mike |
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Sue, you're absolutely right. I don't want there to be any misconceptions...
this will not end autograph forgeries on eBay. It will, however, stop some of the biggest abusers. It should help keep people from making a living at it on eBay, at least. "Sue H" wrote in message ... Unfortunately though, the almighty buck wins out most times; especially if they've got a nice grey area to fall back upon and with autographs, it's one of the most grey areas that sell... much like forging a painting or selling knockoff bags or clothes but representing them as real. And the problem with those, like autographs, is without seeing them in person, it's often hard to tell. On Fri, 4 Nov 2005 18:04:18 -0600, "Gummby3" wrote: It's about time that the Powers That Be at Ebay were slapped awake. From what you've reported though, it sounds like you have woke up the beast. Whether they are going to stand up completely to their promise to clean house and disregard the all mighty buck, that is yet to be seen. lol I applaud the steps that you are helping to get in motion. Keep up the great work and maybe Ebay will be worth buying from again without 7 to 1 odds of getting burned by some jerk with a Sharpie fetish and too much time on his/her hands. :-) |
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