Contract inks for fontain pens?

I use a iron gallic ink in my M200.
How can a ink manufacturer make his ink document proof without iron-gallic
ingredients.
What is in the nooders inks, they are good for documents and contracs.

Alfred

On 2005-06-03 15:28:40 -0700, Alfred Weidlich said:

I use a iron gallic ink in my M200.
How can a ink manufacturer make his ink document proof without
iron-gallic ingredients.
What is in the nooders inks, they are good for documents and contracs.

I don't know the chemical properties of this ink. However, the
manufacturer claims that something in the ink bonds to the cellulose in
the paper when it dries. According to the way the ink performs, I
believe him. Once it is dry, you can't remove it with water, alcohol,
bleach, or anything else. (Except fire.) :-)

(Note that if Noodler's permanent ink dries on steel, gold, rubber, or
plastic, it washes off - it won't bond to anything but paper.)

(Also note that only a few of his inks have this feature.)

David

On 3-Jun-2005, Alfred Weidlich wrote:

I use a iron gallic ink in my M200.
How can a ink manufacturer make his ink document proof without iron-gallic

ingredients.
What is in the nooders inks, they are good for documents and contracs.

Alfred

Perhaps you would get an answer from the distributor;
, since there isn't a detailed answer on
their website.

*david* writes:

Once it is dry, you can't remove it with water, alcohol, bleach, or
anything else. (Except fire.) :-)

And scissors or knife.


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Derf writes:

On Fri, 03 Jun 2005 23:00:17 GMT, *david* wrote:

Or cotton clothing. 8^) I speak from experience.

Cotton and paper are cellulose. It is cllulose, that reacts with that
ink, to be exact.


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On 2005-06-03 16:28:05 -0700, Derf said:

On Fri, 03 Jun 2005 23:00:17 GMT, *david* wrote:

(Note that if Noodler's permanent ink dries on steel, gold, rubber, or
plastic, it washes off - it won't bond to anything but paper.)

Or cotton clothing. 8^) I speak from experience.

Oh no. Sorry to hear that.

Maybe Noodler's should start selling polyester shirts as a sideline.

Or start a "Be Safe - Write Naked" campaign. :-)

David

"Alfred Weidlich" wrote in message
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I use a iron gallic ink in my M200.
How can a ink manufacturer make his ink document proof without iron-gallic
ingredients.
What is in the nooders inks, they are good for documents and contracs.

It seems to me that you're asking for proprietary information, but yes, they
are good for documents and contracts and are safe for fps.

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On Sat, 04 Jun 2005 09:23:05 +0300, Juhapekka Tolvanen
wrote:

Cotton and paper are cellulose. It is cllulose, that reacts with that
ink, to be exact.

That's good. I've used some inks in the past that were water-resistant
by reacting with the lignin (the stuff in the fibres that isn't
cellulose) in wood-pulp paper.

Of course when you used them on archival grade paper (lignin free), they
had no water resistance at all and were rather a failure.

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Andy Dingley wrote:

That's good. I've used some inks in the past that were water-resistant
by reacting with the lignin (the stuff in the fibres that isn't
cellulose) in wood-pulp paper.

Of course when you used them on archival grade paper (lignin free), they
had no water resistance at all and were rather a failure.


Another possibility might be J. Herbin's Encre Authentique
(Authentic Ink), containing campeche wood tannin. It is said to
remain legible for 300 yrs. The Pendemonium web site (no connection)
says it's also called "Lawyer's Ink." However, as with most iron
gall inks, it's not for use in FPs.

HTH,
Mark Z.