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Israel philatelic problems (was New subject)
"ian-b" wrote in message
oups.com... snip In a related matter, Britain recently issued a set of World Cup stamps showing the flags of the winning nations since 1996, including England, with the St George's flag (not the UK Union Flag). A potential customer in Israel wanted me to send the stamps with the offensive cross removed, deleted, replaced by 'UK' or anything, but he didn't want the (Christian symbol) of the cross. "removed, deleted, replaced by 'UK' or anything" by whom? By you or by the PA, i.e. a special stamp issued for him? If its by you, then he can do it by himself (a perfin maybe, done with a needle . BTW, he cannot then collect some of the philatelically most interesting Swiss stamps, issued between 1849 and 1905 (+ many others) but, of course, this is his own choice, like so many choices that the collectors have to do, for so many reasons. -- Victor Manta ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Philatelic Webmasters Organization: http://pwmo.org/ Art on Stamps: http://artonstamps.org/ Romania by Stamps: http://marci-postale.com/ Communism on Stamps: http://reds-on.postalstamps.biz/ Spanish North Africa: http://www.sna-on.postalstamps.biz/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
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Israel philatelic problems (was New subject)
I once read in philatelic magazine about a Jewish person who was
concerned about the legitimacy of collecting stamps with symbolism or pictures of religious subjects of other faiths. Being a particularly devout person he took his problem to a Rabbi. There then followed a particularly abstruse theological dis cussion the outcome of which was that basically to collect a christian icon which was used in worship was forbidden, but a stamp containing a picture of said icon - and not actually used in worship was permitted.If one accepts that argument ( and not being Jewish, or remembering the actual content of the specifics I could not say one way or another ) the motion of the person making the original complaint is not carried. I would also like to say that such an attitude is not conducive to increasing any sympathy that may be around for Israel in its current difficulties, and in that situation people ought to give some thought to the possible repercussions of voicing such opinions. the Middle East conflict,like many wars, is as much about hearts and minds as it is about military conflict, and it is incumbent on everyone whether belligerent or not, to "put brain in gear before engaging mouth - or pen" Victor Manta wrote: "ian-b" wrote in message oups.com... snip In a related matter, Britain recently issued a set of World Cup stamps showing the flags of the winning nations since 1996, including England, with the St George's flag (not the UK Union Flag). A potential customer in Israel wanted me to send the stamps with the offensive cross removed, deleted, replaced by 'UK' or anything, but he didn't want the (Christian symbol) of the cross. "removed, deleted, replaced by 'UK' or anything" by whom? By you or by the PA, i.e. a special stamp issued for him? If its by you, then he can do it by himself (a perfin maybe, done with a needle . BTW, he cannot then collect some of the philatelically most interesting Swiss stamps, issued between 1849 and 1905 (+ many others) but, of course, this is his own choice, like so many choices that the collectors have to do, for so many reasons. -- Victor Manta ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Philatelic Webmasters Organization: http://pwmo.org/ Art on Stamps: http://artonstamps.org/ Romania by Stamps: http://marci-postale.com/ Communism on Stamps: http://reds-on.postalstamps.biz/ Spanish North Africa: http://www.sna-on.postalstamps.biz/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
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Israel philatelic problems (was New subject)
ian-b wrote:
In a related matter, Britain recently issued a set of World Cup stamps showing the flags of the winning nations since 1996, including England, with the St George's flag (not the UK Union Flag). A potential customer in Israel wanted me to send the stamps with the offensive cross removed, deleted, replaced by 'UK' or anything, but he didn't want the (Christian symbol) of the cross. Actually I find that extremely offensive, showing respect for others should be a normal aspect of human decency. Unfortunately intolerance seems to rear its ugly head irrespective of race, creed or religion and is not confined to any particular group. After the disastrous boxing day earthquake in 2004, a local church held a prayer session for the victims. Alongside clergy from various Christian denominations, prayers were offered by a Jewish rabbi and cantor, as well by a Muslim imam. None seemed offended by the prominent cross. Clive |
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Israel philatelic problems (was New subject)
Has anyone noticed that in the recent war in Lebanon, all the medics and
ambulances had the red cross on them? The majority of those were Moslems. Tony wrote in message oups.com... ian-b wrote: In a related matter, Britain recently issued a set of World Cup stamps showing the flags of the winning nations since 1996, including England, with the St George's flag (not the UK Union Flag). A potential customer in Israel wanted me to send the stamps with the offensive cross removed, deleted, replaced by 'UK' or anything, but he didn't want the (Christian symbol) of the cross. Actually I find that extremely offensive, showing respect for others should be a normal aspect of human decency. Unfortunately intolerance seems to rear its ugly head irrespective of race, creed or religion and is not confined to any particular group. After the disastrous boxing day earthquake in 2004, a local church held a prayer session for the victims. Alongside clergy from various Christian denominations, prayers were offered by a Jewish rabbi and cantor, as well by a Muslim imam. None seemed offended by the prominent cross. Clive ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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Israel philatelic problems (was New subject)
A.E. Gelat wrote:
Has anyone noticed that in the recent war in Lebanon, all the medics and ambulances had the red cross on them? The majority of those were Moslems. Tony I found that rather intriguing . It can probably be ascribed to Lebanon having had a Christian majority until some time in the last 20 to 30 years, and the government is still, I believe secular. Though that will probably change in the next few years. |
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Israel philatelic problems (was New subject)
The point I wanted to make was that the Lebanese Moslems do not object to
the use of the red cross on their uniforms and ambulances. Tony "Ryan Davenport" wrote in message news:ugbLg.503632$Mn5.31874@pd7tw3no... wrote: A.E. Gelat wrote: Has anyone noticed that in the recent war in Lebanon, all the medics and ambulances had the red cross on them? The majority of those were Moslems. Tony I found that rather intriguing . It can probably be ascribed to Lebanon having had a Christian majority until some time in the last 20 to 30 years, and the government is still, I believe secular. Though that will probably change in the next few years. The Lebanese government is required by their constitution to have the top positions divided among different religions, and the President is required to be a Maronite Christian. As of a 1989 agreement, the Assembly of Representatives is divided equally with 64 Christian seats and 64 Muslim seats. Of course, there are endless disagreements over how the divisions are to be drawn up, which regions are designated as being led by which religion, etc. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_Lebanon Ryan ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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Israel philatelic problems (was New subject)
Victor Manta wrote: ------8---- "removed, deleted, replaced by 'UK' or anything" by whom? By you or by the PO, i.e. a special stamp issued for him? If its by you, then he can do it by himself (a perfin maybe, done with a needle . Hi Victor, sorry I've been away for a few days. I don't know the answer to your questions. I guess he wanted me to do it, but his English language was so poor I couldn't spend too much time trying to work around what he wanted. I just told him we couldn't do it. I think he didn't want the letter to get to him, and be opened by Customs, and for a Christian symbol be seen on its way to him. I have a philatelic 'friend' who is a rabbi - I must talk to him about this! Cheers Ian |
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Israel philatelic problems (was New subject)
ian-b wrote: I think he didn't want the letter to get to him, and be opened by Customs, and for a Christian symbol be seen on its way to him. Seems an unlikely reason, there are many Christians in Israel who are perfectly free to receive Christian symbols without interference from Customs. Once can only surmise that this particular individual is a narrow minded git. Clive |
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