any value for fake cancels?

I have a Hamburg 21 with a nice Hamburg cancel. I sent it in for expertizing
& came back as a fake cancel, along with the document saying so. Would this
stamp be of any value as a fake cancel?
A genuine one sells for around $1500.00. I want to sell it, but dont know
what to ask for it. Of course I would advertise it as a fake cancel along
with the certificate, as someone may want to fill a blank space in their
album. Then again, the experts could be wrong, & it may be genuine.
Gordon

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gordon curry wrote:
I have a Hamburg 21 with a nice Hamburg cancel. I sent it in for expertizing
& came back as a fake cancel, along with the document saying so. Would this
stamp be of any value as a fake cancel?
A genuine one sells for around $1500.00. I want to sell it, but dont know
what to ask for it. Of course I would advertise it as a fake cancel along
with the certificate, as someone may want to fill a blank space in their
album. Then again, the experts could be wrong, & it may be genuine.
Gordon

Basically, it's a damaged unused copy of the stamp. So I would
expect it to be worth less than a undamaged copy of the stamp.

--
= Eric Bustad, Norwegian bachelor programmer

Fake cancels on Hamburg, usually consisting of a number of parallel black or
blue lines, are as common as muck (I know, I've got dozens of em). There is
little skill in creating the fake cancel so they don't even have that going
for them. Effectively, they are unused stamps with no gum that someone has
scribbled on - if you can get 10% of the cat value for a mint copy, you'll
be doing well unless you have a large number that you may be able to unload
as a "study group".

--
Cheers - John Mycroft
coryton_at_cobbsmill_dot_com

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In article ,
gordon curry wrote:
I have a Hamburg 21 with a nice Hamburg cancel. I sent it in for expertizing
& came back as a fake cancel, along with the document saying so. Would this
stamp be of any value as a fake cancel?
A genuine one sells for around $1500.00. I want to sell it, but dont know
what to ask for it. Of course I would advertise it as a fake cancel along
with the certificate, as someone may want to fill a blank space in their
album. Then again, the experts could be wrong, & it may be genuine.
Gordon

Basically, it's a damaged unused copy of the stamp. So I would
expect it to be worth less than a undamaged copy of the stamp.

A good example is the Italy Umberto I 1879 issue 30c brown.

Sassone lists this as 225 euro mint, 2200 euro used. The vast
majority of used examples on the market have fake cancels (I have two
so decreed by Raybaudi). In the UK these generally sell
for a trifle less than the mint price.

--
Tony Clayton or
Coins of the UK : http://www.tclayton.demon.co.uk/coins.html
Metals used in Coins : http://www.tclayton.demon.co.uk/metal.html
Sent using RISCOS on an Acorn Strong Arm RiscPC
.... I may not always be perfect, but I'm always me.

Scrap it. That's all you can do. Plus, it keeps it from going around again
and someone else getting burned.

-a

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"gordon curry" wrote in message
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I have a Hamburg 21 with a nice Hamburg cancel. I sent it in for
expertizing
& came back as a fake cancel, along with the document saying so. Would
this
stamp be of any value as a fake cancel?
A genuine one sells for around $1500.00. I want to sell it, but dont know
what to ask for it. Of course I would advertise it as a fake cancel along
with the certificate, as someone may want to fill a blank space in their
album. Then again, the experts could be wrong, & it may be genuine.
Gordon

I wouldn't scrap it - the underlying stamp, if it is genuine, which I assume
it is since nothing to the contrary has been said, is a scarce stamp which
many of us would enjoy owning, even with a fake cancel, as long as we paid a
price reflecting its actual condition.

Ada

"Albumen" wrote in message
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Scrap it. That's all you can do. Plus, it keeps it from going around again
and someone else getting burned.

View it as a writeoff. That's what is done in the USPCS in order to get
these fakes off the market. Let me think; fake herringbone cancels on US
#1s, fake Hilo cancels on US 1869s, fake Z grills. It's all scrap, the
residual value of the stamp isn't that much, unfortunately.

-a

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"Ada Prill" wrote in message
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I wouldn't scrap it - the underlying stamp, if it is genuine, which I
assume
it is since nothing to the contrary has been said, is a scarce stamp which
many of us would enjoy owning, even with a fake cancel, as long as we paid
a
price reflecting its actual condition.

Ada

"Albumen" wrote in message
...
Scrap it. That's all you can do. Plus, it keeps it from going around
again
and someone else getting burned.