Where are all the posters.

George D wrote:
Mr. Jaggers wrote:
Jud wrote:
On Sep 23, 9:54 am, George D wrote:
Seems like all the posters have gone away the last few days. Just
my server or what?
--
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those
who are willing to work and give to those who would not.
Thomas Jefferson
George, I have noticed the same. Hell, even the spammers and trolls
are noticeably absent!

You rang?

James the Heckler


Yep

I started a coin related post why don't you try and maybe we can liven
this place up.

I've tried a few times, but get very few takers. I don't think people are
really interested in the kind of in-depth discussion of coins that will keep
a thread going. Now get into politics and religion, that's what draws them
out...8)

James the Theocrat

Mr. Jaggers lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com wrote:
Newbie wrote:
Online research shows the quote and author to be very accurate.

The only research accepted by historians is that conducted via contemporary,
primary sources, and even those are subject to verification in other similar
sources. A course in historiography will drive this point home.

There are so many phony quotations floating around that you
have to be very careful not to be misled. Modern editions of
the Oxford, Yale and Bartlett's books are very carefully
fact-checked. But popular books of quotations, even by very
well intentioned authors, are traps for the unwary because
the authors often do not understand the rule that you absolutely
cannot trust secondary sources unless they are preserving material
which is otherwise lost, and even then you must note where you got
it. With ancient authors it is very common that we only have
material preserved in the writings of other authors, and sometimes
private communications in modern times where we can have only the
recipient's account.

A quotation floating around on the internet for which you cannot
find a reference to a primary source (or the best existing evidence
for lost works and private communications) is very very suspect.
If ten minutes of efficient searching on Google and Google Books
for a quotation by a famous person turns up only people who repeat
but don't know exactly where it can be verified, then there is a
really strong chance it is phony. Sometimes quotes with a reference
are phony too, you do need to look up the source.

Peter.
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Peter Irwin wrote:
Mr. Jaggers lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com wrote:
Newbie wrote:
Online research shows the quote and author to be very accurate.

The only research accepted by historians is that conducted via
contemporary, primary sources, and even those are subject to
verification in other similar sources. A course in historiography
will drive this point home.

There are so many phony quotations floating around that you
have to be very careful not to be misled. Modern editions of
the Oxford, Yale and Bartlett's books are very carefully
fact-checked. But popular books of quotations, even by very
well intentioned authors, are traps for the unwary because
the authors often do not understand the rule that you absolutely
cannot trust secondary sources unless they are preserving material
which is otherwise lost, and even then you must note where you got
it. With ancient authors it is very common that we only have
material preserved in the writings of other authors, and sometimes
private communications in modern times where we can have only the
recipient's account.

A quotation floating around on the internet for which you cannot
find a reference to a primary source (or the best existing evidence
for lost works and private communications) is very very suspect.
If ten minutes of efficient searching on Google and Google Books
for a quotation by a famous person turns up only people who repeat
but don't know exactly where it can be verified, then there is a
really strong chance it is phony. Sometimes quotes with a reference
are phony too, you do need to look up the source.

Thank you!

James the Appreciative

In article , "Mr. Jaggers" lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com wrote:
Peter Irwin wrote:
Mr. Jaggers lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com wrote:
Newbie wrote:
Online research shows the quote and author to be very accurate.

The only research accepted by historians is that conducted via
contemporary, primary sources, and even those are subject to
verification in other similar sources. A course in historiography
will drive this point home.

There are so many phony quotations floating around that you
have to be very careful not to be misled. Modern editions of
the Oxford, Yale and Bartlett's books are very carefully
fact-checked. But popular books of quotations, even by very
well intentioned authors, are traps for the unwary because
the authors often do not understand the rule that you absolutely
cannot trust secondary sources unless they are preserving material
which is otherwise lost, and even then you must note where you got
it. With ancient authors it is very common that we only have
material preserved in the writings of other authors, and sometimes
private communications in modern times where we can have only the
recipient's account.

A quotation floating around on the internet for which you cannot
find a reference to a primary source (or the best existing evidence
for lost works and private communications) is very very suspect.
If ten minutes of efficient searching on Google and Google Books
for a quotation by a famous person turns up only people who repeat
but don't know exactly where it can be verified, then there is a
really strong chance it is phony. Sometimes quotes with a reference
are phony too, you do need to look up the source.

Thank you!

James the Appreciative


"don't believe anything you hear and only half of what you read!"
-some wild optimist

in wrote:
In article , "Mr. Jaggers"
lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com wrote:
Peter Irwin wrote:
Mr. Jaggers lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com wrote:
Newbie wrote:
Online research shows the quote and author to be very accurate.

The only research accepted by historians is that conducted via
contemporary, primary sources, and even those are subject to
verification in other similar sources. A course in historiography
will drive this point home.

There are so many phony quotations floating around that you
have to be very careful not to be misled. Modern editions of
the Oxford, Yale and Bartlett's books are very carefully
fact-checked. But popular books of quotations, even by very
well intentioned authors, are traps for the unwary because
the authors often do not understand the rule that you absolutely
cannot trust secondary sources unless they are preserving material
which is otherwise lost, and even then you must note where you got
it. With ancient authors it is very common that we only have
material preserved in the writings of other authors, and sometimes
private communications in modern times where we can have only the
recipient's account.

A quotation floating around on the internet for which you cannot
find a reference to a primary source (or the best existing evidence
for lost works and private communications) is very very suspect.
If ten minutes of efficient searching on Google and Google Books
for a quotation by a famous person turns up only people who repeat
but don't know exactly where it can be verified, then there is a
really strong chance it is phony. Sometimes quotes with a reference
are phony too, you do need to look up the source.

Thank you!

James the Appreciative


"don't believe anything you hear and only half of what you read!"
-some wild optimist

Now there's one quote properly attributed!

James the Yeasayer

"Newbie" wrote in message
...
Online research shows the quote and author to be very accurate.

Please show your "proof".

The Giant Brain wrote:
"Newbie" wrote in message
...
Online research shows the quote and author to be very accurate.

Please show your "proof".

The problem here is with the online sources, which are, essentially, likely
to be clones of an original fabricated citation, which may have long ago
disappeared. Once spurious information goes electronic, the Internet is a
most efficient vector.

Location of the quote in Jefferson's own hand would, of course, be the
primary source. Without cross-reference to the original, anything other
than that must be classified as hearsay.

The concept of teaching students to be critical thinkers may receive lip
service in published education standards and objectives, but its
implementation and testing are normally assigned very low priority.

James

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On Sep 23, 9:54 am, George D wrote:
Seems like all the posters have gone away the last few days. Just my
server or what?

George, I have noticed the same. Hell, even the spammers and trolls
are noticeably absent!

Thank G-d!!!

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"don't believe anything you hear and only half of what you read!"
-some wild optimist

LOL
A good one:-)

On Wed, 23 Sep 2009 17:16:38 -0600, "Newbie"
wrote:

Online research shows the quote and author to be very accurate.

Counterpoint:
http://snipurl.com/s4ty8 [wiki_monticello_org]

--
Mike Benveniste -- (Clarification Required)
Its name is Public opinion. It is held in reverence. It settles
everything. Some think it is the voice of God. -- Mark Twain