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Greatest trade coin of all time
"John Mazor" wrote in message news:gDIqk.284$Ro1.187@trnddc04... "Mr. Jaggers" lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com wrote in message ... John Mazor wrote: "Mr. Jaggers" lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com wrote in message ... Reid Goldsborough wrote: Doing some research on pieces of eight, from cobs through pillar dollars to busts, and it strikes me that it has very good claims to being the greatest trade coin of all time. Curiously, I don't believe I've seen it referred to that way, in print or online. "The Spanish milled dollar, valued at 8 reales, and otherwise known as the Pillar dollar, or piece of eight, has been given a place in romantic fiction unequalled by any other coin." - R.S. Yeoman, A Guide Book of United States Coins, 1st (1947) through 62nd (2009) editions "Suddenly he swept her up into his tan, brawny arms and gently nuzzled his dark moustache into the nape of her neck, slowly and maddeningly working his way up to lick the Spanish milled dollar hanging by a tiny gold hook from her earlobe where her father, the numismatist, had placed it shortly before he died of malaria contracted while searching for the fabled 1804 American dollar rumored to be cached in a Louisiana swamp..." Oh, wait, did he mean some other kind of romantic fiction? LOL! Unfortunately, San Jose State University has already announced its winner of the 2008 Bulwer-Lytton contest, so you'll have to wait almost a full year now to claim your prize. 8) http://www.bulwer-lytton.com/ James I entered a few of those, gave up after obviously inferior compositions won out over mine. Maybe I'll dust off my dictionary of literary clichés and try again. In this contest the obviously inferior should win. mk |
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On Aug 19, 5:10*pm, "Mr. Jaggers" lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com wrote:
A la rigueur, they are not synonymous, but to the average bear, they are. 8) Only if you don't know the coins. You can (correctly) call a piece of eight made in 1670 a piece of eight but not a Spanish milled dollar or a pillar dollar. You can call a piece of eight made in 1807 a piece of eight or a Spanish milled dollar but not a pillar dollar. You can call a piece of eight made in 1741 a piece of eight, a Spanish milled dollar, or a pillar dollar. The Red Book isn't very clear on this and is somewhat misleading actually. There are other names too for these coins. I personally like the Spanish names the best -- macuquina, columnario, and busto. The Chinese had their own names for these coins, and I'm sure others too where these coins circulated. -- Consumer: http://rg.ancients.info/guide Connoisseur: http://rg.ancients.info/glom Counterfeit: http://rg.ancients.info/bogos |
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On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 17:09:03 -0500, "Mr. Jaggers"
lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com wrote: Reid Goldsborough wrote: On Aug 19, 5:10 pm, "Mr. Jaggers" lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com wrote: Reid Goldsborough wrote: On Aug 19, 4:13 pm, "Mr. Jaggers" lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com wrote: Reid Goldsborough wrote: Doing some research on pieces of eight, from cobs through pillar dollars to busts, and it strikes me that it has very good claims to being the greatest trade coin of all time. Curiously, I don't believe I've seen it referred to that way, in print or online. "The Spanish milled dollar, valued at 8 reales, and otherwise known as the Pillar dollar, or piece of eight, has been given a place in romantic fiction unequalled by any other coin." - R.S. Yeoman, A Guide Book of United States Coins, 1st (1947) through 62nd (2009) editions James Thanks. I have the Red Book too, but it makes no mention, including the above quote, of what I was talking about. It is interesting though that the Spanish milled dollar is the first coin illustrated in it. But the three terms -- pillar dollar, Spanish milled dollar, and piece of eight -- aren't synonymous. The second is more encompassing than the first, the third more than the first and second. A la rigueur, they are not synonymous, but to the average bear, they are. 8) Amid all the accounts of how the pieces of eight were cut into halves, fourths, and eighths, I have never seen any description as to exactly what mechanism was used to cut them. Were they sheared, sawed (sawn?), chopped, or what? James A hammer and chisel, I'd surmise. Despite being written about widely, these cut pieces are very rare today. Most were likely melted over the years for their bullion. Sounds reasonable, but a guy would think that there would be many survivors. I don't think I've ever seen one. I've got some. A couple cut 2r coins. I have one cut 8r. As I recall, the coin fair in Madrid had a lot of "treasure hunter" / metal detector hoards: there were various cut coppers in with the mix of worn coppers, jetons and the odd 19th century bronze 10c coins. They're certainly out there for the finding. Padraic James ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com ** |
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On Aug 19, 10:51*pm, Padraic Brown wrote:
I've got some. A couple cut 2r coins. I have one cut 8r. As I recall, the coin fair in Madrid had a lot of "treasure hunter" / metal detector hoards: there were various cut coppers in with the mix of worn coppers, jetons and the odd 19th century bronze 10c coins. They're certainly out there for the finding. Interesting. Is the cut eight reales piece Spanish or Spanish- American? Is there enough detail to determine the date, mint, etc.? -- Consumer: http://rg.ancients.info/guide Connoisseur: http://rg.ancients.info/glom Counterfeit: http://rg.ancients.info/bogos |
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On Aug 19, 5:59�pm, wrote:
In article , "Mr. Jaggers" lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com wrote: Reid Goldsborough wrote: On Aug 19, 4:13 pm, "Mr. Jaggers" lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com wrote: Reid Goldsborough wrote: Doing some research on pieces of eight, from cobs through pillar dollars to busts, and it strikes me that it has very good claims to being the greatest trade coin of all time. Curiously, I don't believe I've seen it referred to that way, in print or online. "The Spanish milled dollar, valued at 8 reales, and otherwise known as the Pillar dollar, or piece of eight, has been given a place in romantic fiction unequalled by any other coin." - R.S. Yeoman, A Guide Book of United States Coins, 1st (1947) through 62nd (2009) editions James Thanks. I have the Red Book too, but it makes no mention, including the above quote, of what I was talking about. It is interesting though that the Spanish milled dollar is the first coin illustrated in it. But the three terms -- �pillar dollar, Spanish milled dollar, and piece of eight -- aren't synonymous. The second is more encompassing than the first, the third more than the first and second. A la rigueur, they are not synonymous, but to the average bear, they are.. 8) Amid all the accounts of how the pieces of eight were cut into halves, fourths, and eighths, I have never seen any description as to exactly what mechanism was used to cut them. �Were they sheared, sawed (sawn?), chopped, or what? James basically, whatever tool was at hand. hatchets and axes were common, knives and hammers were, too. they were rarely sawn because of metal waste. very few bits remain.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - One 19th-century traveler eyewitness reported that they were "chopped" by a slave with an axe. (Can look up reference if needed.) |
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In article , Bob wrote:
On Aug 19, 5:59=EF=BF=BDpm, wrote: In article , "Mr. Jaggers" lugburzman[at= ]yahoo[dot]com wrote: Reid Goldsborough wrote: On Aug 19, 4:13 pm, "Mr. Jaggers" lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com wrote: Reid Goldsborough wrote: Doing some research on pieces of eight, from cobs through pillar dollars to busts, and it strikes me that it has very good claims to being the greatest trade coin of all time. Curiously, I don't believe I've seen it referred to that way, in print or online. "The Spanish milled dollar, valued at 8 reales, and otherwise known as the Pillar dollar, or piece of eight, has been given a place in romantic fiction unequalled by any other coin." - R.S. Yeoman, A Guide Book of United States Coins, 1st (1947) through 62nd (2009) editions James Thanks. I have the Red Book too, but it makes no mention, including the above quote, of what I was talking about. It is interesting though that the Spanish milled dollar is the first coin illustrated in it. But the three terms -- =EF=BF=BDpillar dollar, Spanish milled dollar, = and piece of eight -- aren't synonymous. The second is more encompassing than the first, the third more than the first and second. A la rigueur, they are not synonymous, but to the average bear, they are= .. 8) Amid all the accounts of how the pieces of eight were cut into halves, fourths, and eighths, I have never seen any description as to exactly wh= at mechanism was used to cut them. =EF=BF=BDWere they sheared, sawed (sawn?= ), chopped, or what? James basically, whatever tool was at hand. hatchets and axes were common, kniv= es and hammers were, too. they were rarely sawn because of metal waste. very few bits remain.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - One 19th-century traveler eyewitness reported that they were "chopped" by a slave with an axe. (Can look up reference if needed.) i've read that, too. |
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Reid Goldsborough wrote: The first great trade coin was the ancient Athenian Owl What about the turtles? Who don't the turtles get any respect? Greatest trade coin of all time. I don't know, the Spanish silver always strikes me as more of a great plunder coin rather than a trade coin. |
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In article , Jorg Lueke wrote:
Reid Goldsborough wrote: The first great trade coin was the ancient Athenian Owl What about the turtles? Who don't the turtles get any respect? Greatest trade coin of all time. I don't know, the Spanish silver always strikes me as more of a great plunder coin rather than a trade coin. they were plunder but they were also used world-wide. i think it was in 1857 when the u.s. declared any other coins than those produced by the mint were not legal tender. apparently spanish coins were part of the problem because they did not pass on a par value with u.s. coins and consumers were getting hosed. apparently there were coins from so many countries involved that merchants kept charts of foreign coins to convert to u.s. prices. |
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"MJKolodziej" wrote in message owncomputing... "John Mazor" wrote in message news:gDIqk.284$Ro1.187@trnddc04... "Mr. Jaggers" lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com wrote in message ... John Mazor wrote: "Mr. Jaggers" lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com wrote in message ... Reid Goldsborough wrote: Doing some research on pieces of eight, from cobs through pillar dollars to busts, and it strikes me that it has very good claims to being the greatest trade coin of all time. Curiously, I don't believe I've seen it referred to that way, in print or online. "The Spanish milled dollar, valued at 8 reales, and otherwise known as the Pillar dollar, or piece of eight, has been given a place in romantic fiction unequalled by any other coin." - R.S. Yeoman, A Guide Book of United States Coins, 1st (1947) through 62nd (2009) editions "Suddenly he swept her up into his tan, brawny arms and gently nuzzled his dark moustache into the nape of her neck, slowly and maddeningly working his way up to lick the Spanish milled dollar hanging by a tiny gold hook from her earlobe where her father, the numismatist, had placed it shortly before he died of malaria contracted while searching for the fabled 1804 American dollar rumored to be cached in a Louisiana swamp..." Oh, wait, did he mean some other kind of romantic fiction? LOL! Unfortunately, San Jose State University has already announced its winner of the 2008 Bulwer-Lytton contest, so you'll have to wait almost a full year now to claim your prize. 8) http://www.bulwer-lytton.com/ James I entered a few of those, gave up after obviously inferior compositions won out over mine. Maybe I'll dust off my dictionary of literary clichés and try again. In this contest the obviously inferior should win. mk Doh! And I've been striving for "quality" all these years. Silly me. |
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