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Old August 5th 03, 02:44 PM
Rick Braden
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I am an avid reader of this NG, and an occasional poster, and would
like to thank all of the group for the interesting posts and valuable
advice. Now, to my question! When I buy a Morgan dollar from my local
dealer or off the net, before I put it in my Dansco, how should it be
cleaned? I don't mean CLEANED cleaned, but I am sure someone (dealer,
lookyloos, etc) has handled that coin before I bought it, so how is
the best way to remove fingerprints, oil from handling, etc? I hear
horror stories about just wiping the surfice of MS65's, and causing
scratchs or scuffs, so what do you all advise?

Thanks
Rick
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Old August 5th 03, 08:35 PM
Rick Braden
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"Ed Hendricks" wrote in message ...
"Rick Braden" wrote in message
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I am an avid reader of this NG, and an occasional poster, and would
like to thank all of the group for the interesting posts and valuable
advice. Now, to my question! When I buy a Morgan dollar from my local
dealer or off the net, before I put it in my Dansco, how should it be
cleaned? I don't mean CLEANED cleaned, but I am sure someone (dealer,
lookyloos, etc) has handled that coin before I bought it, so how is
the best way to remove fingerprints, oil from handling, etc? I hear
horror stories about just wiping the surfice of MS65's, and causing
scratchs or scuffs, so what do you all advise?

Thanks
Rick


If it is recent handling oils and minor dirt build up on circulated coins
that you want to remove, a dip (or soak) in acetone should help.
Fingerprints and/or corrosion that has been on the coin for years may have
already caused irrepairable damage to the coin's surface and is likely
permanent. Unc coins should not have been handed with bare hands. So if
you have an MS65 with fingerprints, you have a coin that you probably
shouldn't have bought in the first place.



Thanks, Ed.

Just dip or soak in pure acetone (paint thinner)? This won't damage
luster or anything? How should it be rinsed, or should it be?
Running water? air dry?

Thanks again!
Rick

PS: Appreciate the advise at the end- I would not buy a coin with
those kind of markings as ms65.
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Old August 5th 03, 10:12 PM
Fred
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When I purchase a raw coin from my dealer, or on ebay, I usually use a
product called BLUE RIBBON on it. I do not know if you've heard of it.
Blue Ribbon is said to be a coin conditioner. I apply it using a soft cloth
or a Q-tip and allow it to rest on the surface for a few seconds before
drying the coin with the other end of the Q-Tip.

I have never had a problem with it. My dealer uses it and he has sent many,
many coins to grading services after using it on the coins and the grading
service has never found it to be harmful to the coin...it always comes back
slabbed.

It is a small bottle of 2 Fl. Ounces and costs $9.00.

But it does remove surface dirt, oil, and anything else that may be resting
on the surface of the coin.

****Special Note: You can finfd this on ebay. HOWEVER......DO NOT use it on
PROOF Coins!!!!! Once it is applied to the surface of the coin, it is like
hell to get off. It is like a lubricant and won't come off the slick prrof
surface that easily.
(I only know this from experience!! I purchased a proof coin off of ebay
and I did not realize they removed it from the plastic capsule for the
picture and left a major finger print on it!!!!!)

Thanks,
Fred


"Rick Braden" wrote in message
m...
"Ed Hendricks" wrote in message

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"Rick Braden" wrote in message
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I am an avid reader of this NG, and an occasional poster, and would
like to thank all of the group for the interesting posts and valuable
advice. Now, to my question! When I buy a Morgan dollar from my local
dealer or off the net, before I put it in my Dansco, how should it be
cleaned? I don't mean CLEANED cleaned, but I am sure someone (dealer,
lookyloos, etc) has handled that coin before I bought it, so how is
the best way to remove fingerprints, oil from handling, etc? I hear
horror stories about just wiping the surfice of MS65's, and causing
scratchs or scuffs, so what do you all advise?

Thanks
Rick


If it is recent handling oils and minor dirt build up on circulated

coins
that you want to remove, a dip (or soak) in acetone should help.
Fingerprints and/or corrosion that has been on the coin for years may

have
already caused irrepairable damage to the coin's surface and is likely
permanent. Unc coins should not have been handed with bare hands. So

if
you have an MS65 with fingerprints, you have a coin that you probably
shouldn't have bought in the first place.



Thanks, Ed.

Just dip or soak in pure acetone (paint thinner)? This won't damage
luster or anything? How should it be rinsed, or should it be?
Running water? air dry?

Thanks again!
Rick

PS: Appreciate the advise at the end- I would not buy a coin with
those kind of markings as ms65.



  #4  
Old August 6th 03, 12:15 AM
Ed Hendricks
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"Rick Braden" wrote in message
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Just dip or soak in pure acetone (paint thinner)? This won't damage
luster or anything? How should it be rinsed, or should it be?
Running water? air dry?

Thanks again!
Rick

PS: Appreciate the advise at the end- I would not buy a coin with
those kind of markings as ms65.


Some paint thinners are not "pure".....some contain additives. Make sure
the container says pure acetone. After it comes out of the acetone, I would
rinse in distilled water and either blow it dry with compressed air or let
it air dry standing on its edge if possible. This should not damage the
luster or remove any of the coin's surface. If it is a circulated coin, it
probably wouldn't hurt to pat it dry with a cotton ball. Of course, this
will not remove heavily encrusted dirt, grime or other foreign material (ie.
paint, fingernail polish, etc).

These are suggestions only, of course, and I don't guarantee anything. But
I have found that it works pretty well for me. Your mileage may vary.

--
Ed Hendricks
ANA# R178621
eBay: edh.




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Old August 6th 03, 12:14 PM
Linda
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Dang, I couldn't find any on ebay just now, but there are some lots of
"e-Z-est JEWELUSTER COIN CLEANER & DIP," and "Nic-A-Lene Coin Cleaner
Concentrate," are either of those ok to use (anybody know?) If not, could
you suggest another place that would have the Blue Ribbon cleaner?

Should coins be cleaned with the Blue Ribbon before sending them in for
slabbing as a matter of course if they are circulated?

Thanks!

"Fred" wrote in message
...
When I purchase a raw coin from my dealer, or on ebay, I usually use a
product called BLUE RIBBON on it. I do not know if you've heard of it.
Blue Ribbon is said to be a coin conditioner. I apply it using a soft

cloth
or a Q-tip and allow it to rest on the surface for a few seconds before
drying the coin with the other end of the Q-Tip.

I have never had a problem with it. My dealer uses it and he has sent

many,
many coins to grading services after using it on the coins and the grading
service has never found it to be harmful to the coin...it always comes

back
slabbed.

It is a small bottle of 2 Fl. Ounces and costs $9.00.

But it does remove surface dirt, oil, and anything else that may be

resting
on the surface of the coin.

****Special Note: You can finfd this on ebay. HOWEVER......DO NOT use it

on
PROOF Coins!!!!! Once it is applied to the surface of the coin, it is

like
hell to get off. It is like a lubricant and won't come off the slick

prrof
surface that easily.
(I only know this from experience!! I purchased a proof coin off of ebay
and I did not realize they removed it from the plastic capsule for the
picture and left a major finger print on it!!!!!)

Thanks,
Fred


"Rick Braden" wrote in message
m...
"Ed Hendricks" wrote in message

...
"Rick Braden" wrote in message
om
I am an avid reader of this NG, and an occasional poster, and would
like to thank all of the group for the interesting posts and

valuable
advice. Now, to my question! When I buy a Morgan dollar from my

local
dealer or off the net, before I put it in my Dansco, how should it

be
cleaned? I don't mean CLEANED cleaned, but I am sure someone

(dealer,
lookyloos, etc) has handled that coin before I bought it, so how is
the best way to remove fingerprints, oil from handling, etc? I hear
horror stories about just wiping the surfice of MS65's, and causing
scratchs or scuffs, so what do you all advise?

Thanks
Rick

If it is recent handling oils and minor dirt build up on circulated

coins
that you want to remove, a dip (or soak) in acetone should help.
Fingerprints and/or corrosion that has been on the coin for years may

have
already caused irrepairable damage to the coin's surface and is likely
permanent. Unc coins should not have been handed with bare hands. So

if
you have an MS65 with fingerprints, you have a coin that you probably
shouldn't have bought in the first place.



Thanks, Ed.

Just dip or soak in pure acetone (paint thinner)? This won't damage
luster or anything? How should it be rinsed, or should it be?
Running water? air dry?

Thanks again!
Rick

PS: Appreciate the advise at the end- I would not buy a coin with
those kind of markings as ms65.






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Old August 6th 03, 06:54 PM
WinWinscenario
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Dang, I couldn't find any on ebay just now, but there are some lots of
"e-Z-est JEWELUSTER COIN CLEANER & DIP," and "Nic-A-Lene Coin Cleaner
Concentrate," are either of those ok to use (anybody know?) If not, could
you suggest another place


http://www.brent-krueger.com

Regards,
Tom
  #7  
Old August 6th 03, 07:08 PM
Linda
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"WinWinscenario" wrote in message
...
Dang, I couldn't find any on ebay just now, but there are some lots of
"e-Z-est JEWELUSTER COIN CLEANER & DIP," and "Nic-A-Lene Coin Cleaner
Concentrate," are either of those ok to use (anybody know?) If not,

could
you suggest another place


http://www.brent-krueger.com

Regards,
Tom


Is this *really* acceptable to use on coins? If I try it, it will be on
coins I'm planning to send to PCGS for grading and I *do not* want to do
anything to them that will get them bagged and tagged. Thanks!


  #8  
Old August 6th 03, 09:51 PM
Fred
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I wouldn't use Blue Ribbon all the time. I don't use it on coins I have
removed from slabs or if a coin is very attractively toned.

But if I have watched my dealer play with it or if it comes from someone
else's collection, I use it as a safe measure.

Fred


"Linda" wrote in message
news
Dang, I couldn't find any on ebay just now, but there are some lots of
"e-Z-est JEWELUSTER COIN CLEANER & DIP," and "Nic-A-Lene Coin Cleaner
Concentrate," are either of those ok to use (anybody know?) If not, could
you suggest another place that would have the Blue Ribbon cleaner?

Should coins be cleaned with the Blue Ribbon before sending them in for
slabbing as a matter of course if they are circulated?

Thanks!

"Fred" wrote in message
...
When I purchase a raw coin from my dealer, or on ebay, I usually use a
product called BLUE RIBBON on it. I do not know if you've heard of it.
Blue Ribbon is said to be a coin conditioner. I apply it using a soft

cloth
or a Q-tip and allow it to rest on the surface for a few seconds before
drying the coin with the other end of the Q-Tip.

I have never had a problem with it. My dealer uses it and he has sent

many,
many coins to grading services after using it on the coins and the

grading
service has never found it to be harmful to the coin...it always comes

back
slabbed.

It is a small bottle of 2 Fl. Ounces and costs $9.00.

But it does remove surface dirt, oil, and anything else that may be

resting
on the surface of the coin.

****Special Note: You can finfd this on ebay. HOWEVER......DO NOT use

it
on
PROOF Coins!!!!! Once it is applied to the surface of the coin, it is

like
hell to get off. It is like a lubricant and won't come off the slick

prrof
surface that easily.
(I only know this from experience!! I purchased a proof coin off of

ebay
and I did not realize they removed it from the plastic capsule for the
picture and left a major finger print on it!!!!!)

Thanks,
Fred


"Rick Braden" wrote in message
m...
"Ed Hendricks" wrote in message

...
"Rick Braden" wrote in message
om
I am an avid reader of this NG, and an occasional poster, and

would
like to thank all of the group for the interesting posts and

valuable
advice. Now, to my question! When I buy a Morgan dollar from my

local
dealer or off the net, before I put it in my Dansco, how should it

be
cleaned? I don't mean CLEANED cleaned, but I am sure someone

(dealer,
lookyloos, etc) has handled that coin before I bought it, so how

is
the best way to remove fingerprints, oil from handling, etc? I

hear
horror stories about just wiping the surfice of MS65's, and

causing
scratchs or scuffs, so what do you all advise?

Thanks
Rick

If it is recent handling oils and minor dirt build up on circulated

coins
that you want to remove, a dip (or soak) in acetone should help.
Fingerprints and/or corrosion that has been on the coin for years

may
have
already caused irrepairable damage to the coin's surface and is

likely
permanent. Unc coins should not have been handed with bare hands.

So
if
you have an MS65 with fingerprints, you have a coin that you

probably
shouldn't have bought in the first place.


Thanks, Ed.

Just dip or soak in pure acetone (paint thinner)? This won't damage
luster or anything? How should it be rinsed, or should it be?
Running water? air dry?

Thanks again!
Rick

PS: Appreciate the advise at the end- I would not buy a coin with
those kind of markings as ms65.








  #9  
Old August 6th 03, 09:52 PM
Fred
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My dealer has sent coins in to ICG, NGC and PCGS after using this product
and they have never body bagged a coin UNLESS of course it had something
really wrong on it.

Fred


"Linda" wrote in message
...

"WinWinscenario" wrote in message
...
Dang, I couldn't find any on ebay just now, but there are some lots of
"e-Z-est JEWELUSTER COIN CLEANER & DIP," and "Nic-A-Lene Coin Cleaner
Concentrate," are either of those ok to use (anybody know?) If not,

could
you suggest another place


http://www.brent-krueger.com

Regards,
Tom


Is this *really* acceptable to use on coins? If I try it, it will be on
coins I'm planning to send to PCGS for grading and I *do not* want to do
anything to them that will get them bagged and tagged. Thanks!




  #10  
Old August 7th 03, 12:39 AM
WinWinscenario
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Is this *really* acceptable to use on coins? If I try it, it will be on
coins I'm planning to send to PCGS for grading and I *do not* want to do
anything to them that will get them bagged and tagged. Thanks!


Proper use of commercial coin-cleaning solvents (follow the mfg's directions
very closely) will not harm the surface of a coin. They will also not cure all
defects, and the coin may still be body-bagged for damage that occurred b/4 the
"dip." But the cleaning solutions sold for the purpose of cleaning coins
should not do new/additional harm to a coin when used carefully according to
directions.

Of course, the new "toning" may look unnatural; I've had well-worn Lincoln
cents turn into mint-red specimens after a dip. You don't want to submit a coin
where the fact of cleaning pokes the grader in the eye!!

Regards,
Tom
 




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