[Question] London cancel, 1877

About a London oval cancel with bars and 95 in a lozenge,
the date is 1877.
I think this is from central London.

But which post office ? Is this kind of info available on
the net ?

http://cjoint.com/?feqRi3wJLv

Thanks for any info !
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Best regards,
Bruno

I have it that the bar lozenge was used in the London office
and used for general postage.
I have 95 as used by "Alford"
I certainly would suggest you have this info confirmed
by a specialist however

Are you able to discern the Perfin structure?


"bc92" wrote in message
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About a London oval cancel with bars and 95 in a lozenge,
the date is 1877.
I think this is from central London.

But which post office ? Is this kind of info available on
the net ?

http://cjoint.com/?feqRi3wJLv

Thanks for any info !
--
Best regards,
Bruno

Your perfin shows punctures similar
to this design of "and S" or "and sons"
(The "and" shape is quite distinctive)
There are not sufficient punctures to discern the top
letters (well, that match any of my perfins)
http://cjoint.com/data/ffaHdtYbXU.htm
HTH


"bc92" wrote in message
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About a London oval cancel with bars and 95 in a lozenge,
the date is 1877.
I think this is from central London.

But which post office ? Is this kind of info available on
the net ?

http://cjoint.com/?feqRi3wJLv

Thanks for any info !
--
Best regards,
Bruno

Correction,
the perfin shows "S and"
not "and S"
which should narrow the field considerably


Your perfin shows punctures similar
to this design of "and S" or "and sons"
(The "and" shape is quite distinctive)
There are not sufficient punctures to discern the top
letters (well, that match any of my perfins)
http://cjoint.com/data/ffaHdtYbXU.htm
HTH


"bc92" wrote in message
news
About a London oval cancel with bars and 95 in a lozenge,
the date is 1877.
I think this is from central London.

But which post office ? Is this kind of info available on
the net ?

http://cjoint.com/?feqRi3wJLv

Thanks for any info !
--
Best regards,
Bruno

Rod wrote:
Correction,
the perfin shows "S and"
not "and S"
which should narrow the field considerably

http://cjoint.com/?feqRi3wJLv

Thanks Rod, :-)

So the bar lozenge 95 would mean Alford.
Could anybody help me to locate that Alford. My internet map
service gives several locations in London.

About the perfin, I make it "S and CH" ? which doesn't mean
much to me.

--
Best regards,
Bruno

Alford is in Lincolnshire, but that's not where
your postmark is from. No. 95 = Alford is only
for the 1844 style postmark (horizontal barred
oval without accompanying daestamp). Alford does
not appear in any other list of postmarks, so the
office may have been closed prior to 1874.

Your postmark is the type used at the London Inland
Office, and the numbers do not indicate locations
but merely indicate different stamps used in the
same building.

Jay Carrigan change domain to mchsi
www.jaypex.com


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Rod wrote:
Correction,
the perfin shows "S and"
not "and S"
which should narrow the field considerably

http://cjoint.com/?feqRi3wJLv

Thanks Rod, :-)

So the bar lozenge 95 would mean Alford.
Could anybody help me to locate that Alford. My internet map
service gives several locations in London.

About the perfin, I make it "S and CH" ? which doesn't mean
much to me.

--
Best regards,
Bruno

Jay T. Carrigan wrote:
Alford is in Lincolnshire, but that's not where
your postmark is from. No. 95 = Alford is only
for the 1844 style postmark (horizontal barred
oval without accompanying daestamp). Alford does
not appear in any other list of postmarks, so the
office may have been closed prior to 1874.

Your postmark is the type used at the London Inland
Office, and the numbers do not indicate locations
but merely indicate different stamps used in the
same building.

Jay Carrigan change domain to mchsi
www.jaypex.com

Thanks a lot, Jay, and I had come to the same conclusion, 10
minutes ago, after some googling in rcsd archives (of course
I should have started there). I also guess the province
offices were ordered in alphabetical order (at least at the
beginning), so Alford gets a low number.

About the perfin, still interested.

--
Best regards,
Bruno

Newsgroups at their best
I've learnt something here also.
From what I make out though, both the London district
and country numbers are not in Alpha order,
probably in order of canceller production?

Thanks a lot, Jay, and I had come to the same conclusion, 10
minutes ago, after some googling in rcsd archives (of course
I should have started there). I also guess the province
offices were ordered in alphabetical order (at least at the
beginning), so Alford gets a low number.

About the perfin, still interested.

--
Best regards,
Bruno

S & HC might refer to the "Social and Health Care Directorate"
although I'm not positive that they were called that back in the 1800s.

I was checking a company called S & HC Taylor (Opticians)
but they were incorporated much later than the 1800s.

There are a number of companies called S & H in the UK,
INCLUDING:

S. & H, CONTRACTS LIMITED, ESSEX (2005)
S. & H. CONSTRUCTION (BEDFORD) LIMITED (1983)
S. & H. COOPER & CO (ENNISKILLEN) LIMITED (1991)

but these have been eliminated as they post-date the 1800s.

There are a couple of curiosities with this perfin
as I see it.
(from memory, as I no longer have a print out of the scan)
If one rotates the image and has QV lying on her back
reading right to left.

The perfin is evidenced sideways, this is unusual in my experience,
The gap between the character puncture groups are quite wide
and obviously very badly centred.
The then top rhs of the stamp is missing, probably ripped from
puncture holes of further letters of the perfin.

The entire occurrence on this stamp may be so badly displaced
that one is reading "two halves" of a perfin group, that then need to
be seen in correct perspective.
eg: cut the stamp image in half and swap the LHS to the RHS


This is just an observation, but may explain the wide gaps.
Sheets were often folded, so the matrix and centreing of all
perfins resulted in wide varieties.

Perfin images are hard to find, the discipline is not widely
archived for consultation on the web, joing a UK group
may be the only avenue.

If one decides to accept "H C" there is still a puncture
hole on the rhs of the H indicating a further character



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"Blair (TC)" wrote in message oups.com...
| S & HC might refer to the "Social and Health Care Directorate"
| although I'm not positive that they were called that back in the 1800s.
|
| I was checking a company called S & HC Taylor (Opticians)
| but they were incorporated much later than the 1800s.
|
| There are a number of companies called S & H in the UK,
| INCLUDING:
|
| S. & H, CONTRACTS LIMITED, ESSEX (2005)
| S. & H. CONSTRUCTION (BEDFORD) LIMITED (1983)
| S. & H. COOPER & CO (ENNISKILLEN) LIMITED (1991)
|
| but these have been eliminated as they post-date the 1800s.
|