oly wrote:
On Jan 17, 10:07 pm, "Mr. Jaggers" lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com
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oly wrote:
On Jan 16, 12:35 pm, Reality wrote:
On Jan 16, 6:56 am, oly wrote:

On Jan 16, 8:29 am, "Bruce Remick" wrote:

"Reality" wrote in message

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On Jan 15, 8:10 pm, "Bruce Remick" wrote:

"Reality" wrote in message

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What is the deal with this nonsense?

When I submit a coin to PCGS, I want to know if it is genuine,
the grade, and if it is original.

IMO if you are paying the supposed leading expert graders in
the industry a $30 grading fee plus shipping both ways, then
their "Genuine - Questionable Color" B.S is not an option. I'm
paying them to tell me one way or the other.

The color/toning is either ORIGINAL or NOT.

If they can't tell the difference, then what is their opinion
worth? IMO the grading fee should be refunded if their
"experts" can't discern the difference. It's a total ripoff
otherwise.

Tell 'em we said to give you your money back. It's much less
stressful to buy coins already graded by PCGS (and paid for by
someone else) than to send
them your own coins and hold your breath waiting.

The point is, why should *anyone* get ripped off in that manner?
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If you do some homework first, you're less likely to get "ripped
off". Sending a coin to a TPG like PCGS can be a crapshoot unless
you're someone who's experienced with that sort of thing. Before
spending that money maybe it would have saved any disappointment
if you'd showed the coin first to a couple reputable dealers who
might have cautioned you about your coin's questionable color and
how PCGS might respond to it. You didn't say if you did submit
the coin through a dealer or if you're a "member". If it was
through a dealer, maybe you've got a gripe with that dealer for
not advising you as to what PCGS might conclude.

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Bruce, your first advice was very adequate (i.e., buy a decent
piece, sightseen, already slabbed); that's not the game the OP
wants to play.

oly

I was going to put the coin in an auction raw, and the advice given
to me was to have it slobbed because that's how most people want to
buy them these days. I'm not playing any games, and I don't
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Of course you're playing a game. And you're not an insider, which is
why you can't win.

Maybe when we boil numismatics down to its component salts, one of
them is indeed a game. And, like all games, it will be taken more or
less seriously, according to the temperament of the player. I'd say
that numismatics has room for the entire spectrum of gamers.

And to boot, you'll have to misrepresent the coin for the rest of
the sales process. Which, obviously you are more than willing to do.

The most common misrepresentation I have seen is trying to get XF
money for a VF coin that somehow got into an XF slab.

James the Overachiever- Hide quoted text -

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I believe that it has previously been observed that slabbed coins
follow a form of "Gresham's Law" (Bad Money drives out Good).

Been on sabbatical, mon prof?

No, not really. Starting the last week of 2009 I kept getting error
messages that read "connection limit reached" with some outfit in Florida
whenever I tried to log on to Usenet. Since the year turned I no longer get
that message but have still been mostly unable to log on. The situation
seems to be getting better, though, because obviously, I'm here now. Thanks
for asking.

James the Intermittent