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On Feb 6, 7:09 pm, "Bruce Remick" wrote:
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On Feb 6, 2:40 pm, "Mr. Jaggers" lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com wrote:





Bruce Remick wrote:
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On Feb 6, 10:09 am, "Bruce Remick" wrote:
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On Feb 5, 6:53 pm, "Mr. Jaggers" lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com wrote:

Michael Benveniste wrote:
"stonej" wrote:

http://www.numismaster.com/ta/numis/...cle&ArticleId=...

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When all this is sorted out in the years ahead, will future
collectors say that we were falling down on our basic job as
collectors, which is to collect and to preserve all coin issues?

I'm tentatively willing to accept those job requirements and
duties. Now let's discuss compensation. Who's paying me and
how much?

No one you say? Then I don't have a "basic job of collecting,"
so I can't be falling down on the job.

I think one would be very hard pressed to find collectors of the
past whose
primo motivation was to preserve coins so that you and I could own
them in
2009. In fact, it is because few actually did preserve coins that
makes collecting them such an adventure today. Sounds as if
somebody with nothing
to say had a deadline to meet and column inches to fill.

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It wasn't his prime motivation, but Virgil Brand apparently preserved
a great deal of material that was considered dross in his day, but
which is decent today (especially barrels of Civil War tokens and
Confederate notes).

oly

Or one might say he hoarded them so his contemporaries couldn't enjoy
them.
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You certainly have a bizarre point of view. If our financial system
holds together (a very very big if) your grandchildren will be slaves
to the bankers and Chinese bondholders, all so you can get a cushy
federal pension today.

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I'm expecting my grandchildren to be a lot smarter than me (one
already is) and will have technological resources that we haven't
imagined yet. For me to sacrifice so they can have nothing but
carefree times is not high on my priority list. I doubt my
grandchildren will be "slaves" to anyone or anything, unless they
feel they will have everything handed to them. I worked hard for my
"cushy federal pension" and I can laugh now at many of my private
sector friends who would let me know they were making more than me
but now find themselves looking for financial aid or advice, or a
job.

Someday we old flatulences will have to get together, pool our
resources,
and see if we can find a bottle of cheap beer to share, while away a
lazy
Saturday afternoon on a bench in the shade of a public park, ogling the
hotties, talking about the good old days, and kvetching about the
younger
generation. Maybe Jud can join us? I hear he can afford a bottle all to
himself if he saves up for a couple of weeks.

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Bruce has often enough displayed the "I've got mine, Jack" mentality
here on RCC. Mon vieux, I would hardly say the you subscribe to the
"sauve qui peut" and "let the devil take the hindmost" attitude that
Bruce often displays.

oly
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Proud of it. I did get mine-- the old fashioned way. Proud of that, too.
No more than I needed to get by comfortably, but I worked for it. Made do
with the bare minimum when I had to, and kept my affairs in order so I
never
had to be a burden to anyone else. The opportunity is still there for
anyone who cares to go that route.

You're right. I don't share your exaggerated view that the economic sky is
falling, our children will be slaves to the Chinese, and it's up to us to
save them (the children) now or they will be doomed. They will adapt to
whatever they're faced with just like past generations have done and any
adversity will make them stronger in the long run. And I'll gladly take
that offer of a cheap beer with Dr. J under that shade tree in the park,
protected from any pieces of sky. No French necessaire either.

Bruce
'ex-Junior Alliance Francais president, which never quite made it to the
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Might I remind you that all the pensions related to the government
(including Social Security) are actuarially unsound, and that after
you have recieved the pension just a very few years, that you have
recieved MORE than your contributions and any earnings could have
possibly amounted to? At that point, your pension just becomes part
of the debt being left to future taxpayers and that indeed you are
adding to the burden of present and future generations.
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Man, what a negative person! I never knew my govt pension was unsound. I
always hoped I would live long enough to take out more than I contributed
over 33 years. I believe I may now have, but I lost interest in keeping
track years ago. What a burden I must be to future generations. And oh,
did I mention before that the govt employment option has always been
available to everyone? Talk about a real burden on society-- what about
the millions of private sector workers who have lost their jobs and are now
living off the taxpayers. Not many federal employees among them.

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Maybe you are just recieving what you were promised, but it was all a
lie from the get-go. Senior Welfare. If you don't see that, you are
intellectually dishonest.
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Oly, please consider me intellectually dishonest. Welfare is a handout for
people who don't work. I always looked at my retirement income as the same
type of pension most large companies were offering at the time-- and not
even as lucrative as many company's programs. I watched while many of the
private companies bailed out on their employees, leaving them struggling to
find health care and accumulate a new nest egg on their own.