ebay policy on fakes and forgeries ... and imitations
 

the new policy, has stalled bids ... with lots being withdrawn . a
new requirement - a "Fake handstamp" must be applied to objects prior
to listing ... to me, this does make sense. devalues items ... and
is a form of decrimination. neither the FIP or AIEP experts use
handstamps ... they issue an opinion only ... genuine or not .
handstamps have been retired .

why is ebay and aps following this policy ? better to relist these
items, in their own category :

fakes, forgeries, fanatsies and imiatations.

comments welcomed ...

ebay policy on fakes and forgeries ... and imitations
 

Recently Ebay has been the subject of CRIMINAL investigations by Interpol.

Ebay was allowing some of its power sellers to sell counterfeits and forgeries
of the stamps of Germany, among others.

The German government did what any prudent entity should, namely charge the
accomplice, in this case Ebay.

Victims who bought this unmarked garbage were rightfully enraged.

Articles relating to one such seller have evn appeared in ngs.

Stamps which are counterfeits, forgeries and fakes, need to be visibly stamped
as such, as used to happen with the great forgeries by Sperati and Fournier as
I recall.

just my 2 pesos worth.

On Fri, 6 Jun 2008 10:34:34 -0700 (PDT), omega45 wrote:

the new policy, has stalled bids ... with lots being withdrawn . a
new requirement - a "Fake handstamp" must be applied to objects prior
to listing ... to me, this does make sense. devalues items ... and
is a form of decrimination. neither the FIP or AIEP experts use
handstamps ... they issue an opinion only ... genuine or not .
handstamps have been retired .

why is ebay and aps following this policy ? better to relist these
items, in their own category :

fakes, forgeries, fanatsies and imiatations.

comments welcomed ...

ebay policy on fakes and forgeries ... and imitations
 

"omega45" wrote in message
...
| the new policy, has stalled bids ... with lots being withdrawn . a
| new requirement - a "Fake handstamp" must be applied to objects prior
| to listing ... to me, this does make sense. devalues items ... and
| is a form of decrimination. neither the FIP or AIEP experts use
| handstamps ... they issue an opinion only ... genuine or not .
| handstamps have been retired .
|
| why is ebay and aps following this policy ? better to relist these
| items, in their own category :
|
| fakes, forgeries, fanatsies and imiatations.
|
| comments welcomed ...

Fakes bought without mark can too easily be resold as non-fakes or
otherwise used to fool somebody -- if not on EBay, then elsewhere. If
being marked devalues items so drastically, then I suspect people were
buying with such intentions.

ebay policy on fakes and forgeries ... and imitations
 

If the reverse is stamped in the expertiser's name does that mean it is
a forgery or real? I was under the assumed it was real. The fakes were
stamped falsch in the case of German stamps.

Terry Reedy wrote:
"omega45" wrote in message
...
| the new policy, has stalled bids ... with lots being withdrawn . a
| new requirement - a "Fake handstamp" must be applied to objects prior
| to listing ... to me, this does make sense. devalues items ... and
| is a form of decrimination. neither the FIP or AIEP experts use
| handstamps ... they issue an opinion only ... genuine or not .
| handstamps have been retired .
|
| why is ebay and aps following this policy ? better to relist these
| items, in their own category :
|
| fakes, forgeries, fanatsies and imiatations.
|
| comments welcomed ...

Fakes bought without mark can too easily be resold as non-fakes or
otherwise used to fool somebody -- if not on EBay, then elsewhere. If
being marked devalues items so drastically, then I suspect people were
buying with such intentions.

ebay policy on fakes and forgeries ... and imitations
 

On Fri, 06 Jun 2008 23:42:35 -0500, Paul
wrote:

If the reverse is stamped in the expertiser's name does that mean it is
a forgery or real? I was under the assumed it was real. The fakes were
stamped falsch in the case of German stamps.

Many times the expertiser is placed on the back. Sometimes it can be
a collector's mark for their own purposes. Falsch, faux, facsimile,
etc. would be fakes for sure.

ebay policy on fakes and forgeries ... and imitations
 

On Sat, 07 Jun 2008 16:18:59 -0400,
wrote:

On Fri, 06 Jun 2008 23:42:35 -0500, Paul
wrote:

If the reverse is stamped in the expertiser's name does that mean it is
a forgery or real? I was under the assumed it was real. The fakes were
stamped falsch in the case of German stamps.

Many times the expertiser is placed on the back. Sometimes it can be
a collector's mark for their own purposes. Falsch, faux, facsimile,
etc. would be fakes for sure.

Well -er- many times anyway.

ebay policy on fakes and forgeries ... and imitations
 

On Jun 7, 6:38 pm, wrote:
On Sat, 07 Jun 2008 16:18:59 -0400,
wrote:

On Fri, 06 Jun 2008 23:42:35 -0500, Paul
wrote:

If the reverse is stamped in the expertiser's name does that mean it is
a forgery or real? I was under the assumed it was real. The fakes were
stamped falsch in the case of German stamps.

Many times the expertiser is placed on the back. Sometimes it can be
a collector's mark for their own purposes. Falsch, faux, facsimile,
etc. would be fakes for sure.

Well -er- many times anyway.

the question of handstamps ... is only followed by aps and ebay ...
other sites and dealers, the FIP AIEP ISJP, expert committees all
follow a more realistic approach ... simply list the items in their
appropriate category ... "forgeries and fakes" with a descriptive
paragraph ... this is a branch of philately, still being discovered
and researched ...

it is a fascinating field of study ...

ebay policy on fakes and forgeries ... and imitations
 

On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 10:25:03 -0700 (PDT), omega45
wrote:

On Jun 7, 6:38 pm, wrote:
On Sat, 07 Jun 2008 16:18:59 -0400,
wrote:

On Fri, 06 Jun 2008 23:42:35 -0500, Paul
wrote:

If the reverse is stamped in the expertiser's name does that mean it is
a forgery or real? I was under the assumed it was real. The fakes were
stamped falsch in the case of German stamps.

Many times the expertiser is placed on the back. Sometimes it can be
a collector's mark for their own purposes. Falsch, faux, facsimile,
etc. would be fakes for sure.

Well -er- many times anyway.

the question of handstamps ... is only followed by aps and ebay ...
other sites and dealers, the FIP AIEP ISJP, expert committees all
follow a more realistic approach ... simply list the items in their
appropriate category ... "forgeries and fakes" with a descriptive
paragraph ... this is a branch of philately, still being discovered
and researched ...

it is a fascinating field of study ...

I suppose it could be. Many of us wind up knowing a little about them
because of our particular fields of collecting. I wonder what it
would be like to be a forgery expert who spends all the time with
them?

ebay policy on fakes and forgeries ... and imitations
 

On Jun 12, 9:15 pm, wrote:
On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 10:25:03 -0700 (PDT), omega45
wrote:



On Jun 7, 6:38 pm, wrote:
On Sat, 07 Jun 2008 16:18:59 -0400,
wrote:

On Fri, 06 Jun 2008 23:42:35 -0500, Paul
wrote:

If the reverse is stamped in the expertiser's name does that mean it is
a forgery or real? I was under the assumed it was real. The fakes were
stamped falsch in the case of German stamps.

Many times the expertiser is placed on the back. Sometimes it can be
a collector's mark for their own purposes. Falsch, faux, facsimile,
etc. would be fakes for sure.

Well -er- many times anyway.

the question of handstamps ... is only followed by aps and ebay ...
other sites and dealers, the FIP AIEP ISJP, expert committees all
follow a more realistic approach ... simply list the items in their
appropriate category ... "forgeries and fakes" with a descriptive
paragraph ... this is a branch of philately, still being discovered
and researched ...

it is a fascinating field of study ...

I suppose it could be. Many of us wind up knowing a little about them
because of our particular fields of collecting. I wonder what it
would be like to be a forgery expert who spends all the time with
them?

here is great site for more forgery info ... http://www.filatelia.fi/forglinks/index.html

ebay policy on fakes and forgeries ... and imitations
 

On Jun 13, 11:50 am, Sir F. A. Rien wrote:
found these unused words:



On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 10:25:03 -0700 (PDT), omega45
wrote:

On Jun 7, 6:38 pm, wrote:
On Sat, 07 Jun 2008 16:18:59 -0400,
wrote:

On Fri, 06 Jun 2008 23:42:35 -0500, Paul
wrote:

If the reverse is stamped in the expertiser's name does that mean it is
a forgery or real? I was under the assumed it was real. The fakes were
stamped falsch in the case of German stamps.

Many times the expertiser is placed on the back. Sometimes it can be
a collector's mark for their own purposes. Falsch, faux, facsimile,
etc. would be fakes for sure.

Well -er- many times anyway.

the question of handstamps ... is only followed by aps and ebay ...
other sites and dealers, the FIP AIEP ISJP, expert committees all
follow a more realistic approach ... simply list the items in their
appropriate category ... "forgeries and fakes" with a descriptive
paragraph ... this is a branch of philately, still being discovered
and researched ...

it is a fascinating field of study ...

I suppose it could be. Many of us wind up knowing a little about them
because of our particular fields of collecting. I wonder what it
would be like to be a forgery expert who spends all the time with
them?

If you collect GB - you need to know about the many forgeries, especially of
the Officials.

All the high values have been forged - some quite well! Some are felt tip
pen 'fill in' of the 'white lines' of Scott #4 to 'make' Scott #2 !

another favourite forgery is to take Plate 3 1.5d and scratch out the edge
of the UL "C" to make an "O" and sell as the Plate 1 'variety'! Thankfully
the letter positions are quite different from being hand punched, so they're
quickly separated as the fakes they are.

eBay's "policy" only applies to items beinf -=sold=- as a forgery. If you
sell a forgery as 'genuine' you need not mark them! Quite a lot from the
nether lands - sorry, I kollum as I see'um.

I note euro-ebay does not follow the handstamp requirement ... most
remain embedded in collections ... forgery specialists, know their
properties.