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Bible coin -- Marine removed from duty over Bible coin reports
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Not sure what to think about this story! Who made the coins, and how did this one (soon-to-be), X-Marine get them? FROM: http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/me...29/iraq.bible/ Marine removed from duty over Bible coin reports BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- A U.S. Marine in Iraq has been removed from duty amid complaints that he was handing out coins with Bible verses at an American checkpoint, the military said Thursday. A military spokesman said Iraqis in Falluja complained that the Marine was giving the coins, which were printed in Arabic, to people at an entry control point in Falluja. U.S. military regulations prohibit religious proselytizing. "This has our full attention," said Col. James L. Welsh, chief of staff of Multi-National Force, West. "We deeply value our relationship with the local citizens and share their concerns over this serious incident." At least one of the coins is stamped with the words "Where will you spend eternity?" according to a report published Thursday by McClatchy Newspapers. The other side of the coin reportedly contains a verse from John 3:16 that reads, "For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish, but have eternal life." Several Falluja residents said they were given the coins over a two-day period and complained that U.S. troops, whom they consider foreign occupiers, were acting as Christian missionaries. "Regulations prohibit members of the coalition force from proselytizing any religion, faith or practices," said Col. Bill Buckner, a coalition spokesman. "Our troops are trained on those guidelines before they deploy." A military statement said "appropriate action" will be taken if the reports are substantiated. The reports stoked religious concerns in Iraq just weeks after Iraqi police discovered that a U.S. soldier had used the Quran, Islam's holy book, for target practice. The U.S. commander in Baghdad took the unusual step of holding a public ceremony and reading a letter of apology from the soldier, a sniper section leader, to local Iraqi leaders. Many in attendance were members and leaders of Sunni militias that the U.S. military has courted to help fight al Qaeda in Iraq and other insurgents. Sunnis often face criticism from other Iraqis for cooperating with American troops. Falluja, also a mostly Sunni city, was the scene of bitter and bloody fighting early in the Iraq war between U.S. troops, al Qaeda in Iraq and Sunni insurgents loyal to Saddam Hussein. ... |
Bible coin -- Marine removed from duty over Bible coin reports
On May 29, 11:00�pm, "Arizona Coin Collector"
wrote: Hello all Not sure what to think about this story! Who made the coins, and how did this one (soon-to-be), X-Marine get them? FROM:http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/me...29/iraq.bible/ Marine removed from duty over Bible coin reports BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- A U.S. Marine in Iraq has been removed from duty amid complaints that he was handing out coins with Bible verses at an American checkpoint, the military said Thursday. A military spokesman said Iraqis in Falluja complained that the Marine was giving the coins, which were printed in Arabic, to people at an entry control point in Falluja. U.S. military regulations prohibit religious proselytizing. "This has our full attention," said Col. James L. Welsh, chief of staff of Multi-National Force, West. "We deeply value our relationship with the local citizens and share their concerns over this serious incident." At least one of the coins is stamped with the words "Where will you spend eternity?" according to a report published Thursday by McClatchy Newspapers. The other side of the coin reportedly contains a verse from John 3:16 that reads, "For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish, but have eternal life." Several Falluja residents said they were given the coins over a two-day period and complained that U.S. troops, whom they consider foreign occupiers, were acting as Christian missionaries. "Regulations prohibit members of the coalition force from proselytizing any religion, faith or practices," said Col. Bill Buckner, a coalition spokesman. "Our troops are trained on those guidelines before they deploy." A military statement said "appropriate action" will be taken if the reports are substantiated. The reports stoked religious concerns in Iraq just weeks after Iraqi police discovered that a U.S. soldier had used the Quran, Islam's holy book, for target practice. The U.S. commander in Baghdad took the unusual step of holding a public ceremony and reading a letter of apology from the soldier, a sniper section leader, to local Iraqi leaders. Many in attendance were members and leaders of Sunni militias that the U.S. military has courted to help fight al Qaeda in Iraq and other insurgents. Sunnis often face criticism from other Iraqis for cooperating with American troops. Falluja, also a mostly Sunni city, was the scene of bitter and bloody fighting early in the Iraq war between U.S. troops, al Qaeda in Iraq and Sunni insurgents loyal to Saddam Hussein. .. To the Marine, read Luke 6, 22-23. Strange, isn't it? A Christian serviceman is trying to avoid violence and build rapport, and the Islamic locals want his head. And the PC Marines are going to give it to them. Jerry |
Bible coin -- Marine removed from duty over Bible coin reports
On Fri, 30 May 2008 18:14:43 -0700 (PDT), Jerry Dennis
wrote: On May 29, 11:00?pm, "Arizona Coin Collector" wrote: Hello all Not sure what to think about this story! Who made the coins, and how did this one (soon-to-be), X-Marine get them? FROM:http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/me...29/iraq.bible/ Marine removed from duty over Bible coin reports BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- A U.S. Marine in Iraq has been removed from duty amid complaints that he was handing out coins with Bible verses at an American checkpoint, the military said Thursday. A military spokesman said Iraqis in Falluja complained that the Marine was giving the coins, which were printed in Arabic, to people at an entry control point in Falluja. U.S. military regulations prohibit religious proselytizing. "This has our full attention," said Col. James L. Welsh, chief of staff of Multi-National Force, West. "We deeply value our relationship with the local citizens and share their concerns over this serious incident." At least one of the coins is stamped with the words "Where will you spend eternity?" according to a report published Thursday by McClatchy Newspapers. The other side of the coin reportedly contains a verse from John 3:16 that reads, "For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish, but have eternal life." Several Falluja residents said they were given the coins over a two-day period and complained that U.S. troops, whom they consider foreign occupiers, were acting as Christian missionaries. "Regulations prohibit members of the coalition force from proselytizing any religion, faith or practices," said Col. Bill Buckner, a coalition spokesman. "Our troops are trained on those guidelines before they deploy." A military statement said "appropriate action" will be taken if the reports are substantiated. The reports stoked religious concerns in Iraq just weeks after Iraqi police discovered that a U.S. soldier had used the Quran, Islam's holy book, for target practice. The U.S. commander in Baghdad took the unusual step of holding a public ceremony and reading a letter of apology from the soldier, a sniper section leader, to local Iraqi leaders. Many in attendance were members and leaders of Sunni militias that the U.S. military has courted to help fight al Qaeda in Iraq and other insurgents. Sunnis often face criticism from other Iraqis for cooperating with American troops. Falluja, also a mostly Sunni city, was the scene of bitter and bloody fighting early in the Iraq war between U.S. troops, al Qaeda in Iraq and Sunni insurgents loyal to Saddam Hussein. .. To the Marine, read Luke 6, 22-23. Strange, isn't it? A Christian serviceman is trying to avoid violence and build rapport, and the Islamic locals want his head. And the PC Marines are going to give it to them. I think the Islamic locals would settle for a someone who respected their right to their own religion. You don't "build rapport" by trying to convert people who don't want to be converted. You have a soldier who deliberately and with prior planning violated regulations that "prohibit members of the coalition force from proselytizing any religion, faith or practices" in a manner that he should have known could cause violence. And you blame the military for removing him from duty? That *is* strange. -- Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida |
Bible coin -- Marine removed from duty over Bible coin reports
On May 30, 9:56*pm, tony cooper wrote:
On Fri, 30 May 2008 18:14:43 -0700 (PDT), Jerry Dennis wrote: On May 29, 11:00?pm, "Arizona Coin Collector" wrote: Hello all Not sure what to think about this story! Who made the coins, and how did this one (soon-to-be), X-Marine get them? FROM:http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/me...29/iraq.bible/ Marine removed from duty over Bible coin reports BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- A U.S. Marine in Iraq has been removed from duty amid complaints that he was handing out coins with Bible verses at an American checkpoint, the military said Thursday. A military spokesman said Iraqis in Falluja complained that the Marine was giving the coins, which were printed in Arabic, to people at an entry control point in Falluja. U.S. military regulations prohibit religious proselytizing. "This has our full attention," said Col. James L. Welsh, chief of staff of Multi-National Force, West. "We deeply value our relationship with the local citizens and share their concerns over this serious incident." At least one of the coins is stamped with the words "Where will you spend eternity?" according to a report published Thursday by McClatchy Newspapers. The other side of the coin reportedly contains a verse from John 3:16 that reads, "For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish, but have eternal life." Several Falluja residents said they were given the coins over a two-day period and complained that U.S. troops, whom they consider foreign occupiers, were acting as Christian missionaries. "Regulations prohibit members of the coalition force from proselytizing any religion, faith or practices," said Col. Bill Buckner, a coalition spokesman. "Our troops are trained on those guidelines before they deploy." A military statement said "appropriate action" will be taken if the reports are substantiated. The reports stoked religious concerns in Iraq just weeks after Iraqi police discovered that a U.S. soldier had used the Quran, Islam's holy book, for target practice. The U.S. commander in Baghdad took the unusual step of holding a public ceremony and reading a letter of apology from the soldier, a sniper section leader, to local Iraqi leaders. Many in attendance were members and leaders of Sunni militias that the U.S. military has courted to help fight al Qaeda in Iraq and other insurgents. Sunnis often face criticism from other Iraqis for cooperating with American troops. Falluja, also a mostly Sunni city, was the scene of bitter and bloody fighting early in the Iraq war between U.S. troops, al Qaeda in Iraq and Sunni insurgents loyal to Saddam Hussein. .. To the Marine, read Luke 6, 22-23. Strange, isn't it? *A Christian serviceman is trying to avoid violence and build rapport, and the Islamic locals want his head. *And the PC Marines are going to give it to them. I think the Islamic locals would settle for a someone who respected their right to their own religion. *You don't "build rapport" by trying to convert people who don't want to be converted. * You have a soldier who deliberately and with prior planning violated regulations that "prohibit members of the coalition force from proselytizing any religion, faith or practices" in a manner that he should have known could cause violence. * And you blame the military for removing him from duty? *That *is* strange. I agree with Tony on this one. |
Bible coin -- Marine removed from duty over Bible coin reports
"Jerry Dennis" wrote in message ... On May 29, 11:00�pm, "Arizona Coin Collector" wrote: Hello all Not sure what to think about this story! Who made the coins, and how did this one (soon-to-be), X-Marine get them? FROM:http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/me...29/iraq.bible/ Marine removed from duty over Bible coin reports BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- A U.S. Marine in Iraq has been removed from duty amid complaints that he was handing out coins with Bible verses at an American checkpoint, the military said Thursday. A military spokesman said Iraqis in Falluja complained that the Marine was giving the coins, which were printed in Arabic, to people at an entry control point in Falluja. U.S. military regulations prohibit religious proselytizing. "This has our full attention," said Col. James L. Welsh, chief of staff of Multi-National Force, West. "We deeply value our relationship with the local citizens and share their concerns over this serious incident." At least one of the coins is stamped with the words "Where will you spend eternity?" according to a report published Thursday by McClatchy Newspapers. The other side of the coin reportedly contains a verse from John 3:16 that reads, "For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish, but have eternal life." Several Falluja residents said they were given the coins over a two-day period and complained that U.S. troops, whom they consider foreign occupiers, were acting as Christian missionaries. "Regulations prohibit members of the coalition force from proselytizing any religion, faith or practices," said Col. Bill Buckner, a coalition spokesman. "Our troops are trained on those guidelines before they deploy." A military statement said "appropriate action" will be taken if the reports are substantiated. The reports stoked religious concerns in Iraq just weeks after Iraqi police discovered that a U.S. soldier had used the Quran, Islam's holy book, for target practice. The U.S. commander in Baghdad took the unusual step of holding a public ceremony and reading a letter of apology from the soldier, a sniper section leader, to local Iraqi leaders. Many in attendance were members and leaders of Sunni militias that the U.S. military has courted to help fight al Qaeda in Iraq and other insurgents. Sunnis often face criticism from other Iraqis for cooperating with American troops. Falluja, also a mostly Sunni city, was the scene of bitter and bloody fighting early in the Iraq war between U.S. troops, al Qaeda in Iraq and Sunni insurgents loyal to Saddam Hussein. .. To the Marine, read Luke 6, 22-23. Strange, isn't it? A Christian serviceman is trying to avoid violence and build rapport, and the Islamic locals want his head. And the PC Marines are going to give it to them. Jerry I agree Jerry. The ones persecuting him dont understand that he does it because he loves them and and cares about what happens to them. They have a right to what ever religion they choose, but handing out a coin with a Bible verse on it is hardly forcing them to convert. Ill be praying for this soldier. B |
Bible coin -- Marine removed from duty over Bible coin reports
"Brian Oakley" wrote in message ... "Jerry Dennis" wrote in message ... On May 29, 11:00?pm, "Arizona Coin Collector" wrote: Hello all Not sure what to think about this story! Who made the coins, and how did this one (soon-to-be), X-Marine get them? FROM:http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/me...29/iraq.bible/ Marine removed from duty over Bible coin reports BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- A U.S. Marine in Iraq has been removed from duty amid complaints that he was handing out coins with Bible verses at an American checkpoint, the military said Thursday. A military spokesman said Iraqis in Falluja complained that the Marine was giving the coins, which were printed in Arabic, to people at an entry control point in Falluja. U.S. military regulations prohibit religious proselytizing. "This has our full attention," said Col. James L. Welsh, chief of staff of Multi-National Force, West. "We deeply value our relationship with the local citizens and share their concerns over this serious incident." At least one of the coins is stamped with the words "Where will you spend eternity?" according to a report published Thursday by McClatchy Newspapers. The other side of the coin reportedly contains a verse from John 3:16 that reads, "For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish, but have eternal life." Several Falluja residents said they were given the coins over a two-day period and complained that U.S. troops, whom they consider foreign occupiers, were acting as Christian missionaries. "Regulations prohibit members of the coalition force from proselytizing any religion, faith or practices," said Col. Bill Buckner, a coalition spokesman. "Our troops are trained on those guidelines before they deploy." A military statement said "appropriate action" will be taken if the reports are substantiated. The reports stoked religious concerns in Iraq just weeks after Iraqi police discovered that a U.S. soldier had used the Quran, Islam's holy book, for target practice. The U.S. commander in Baghdad took the unusual step of holding a public ceremony and reading a letter of apology from the soldier, a sniper section leader, to local Iraqi leaders. Many in attendance were members and leaders of Sunni militias that the U.S. military has courted to help fight al Qaeda in Iraq and other insurgents. Sunnis often face criticism from other Iraqis for cooperating with American troops. Falluja, also a mostly Sunni city, was the scene of bitter and bloody fighting early in the Iraq war between U.S. troops, al Qaeda in Iraq and Sunni insurgents loyal to Saddam Hussein. .. To the Marine, read Luke 6, 22-23. Strange, isn't it? A Christian serviceman is trying to avoid violence and build rapport, and the Islamic locals want his head. And the PC Marines are going to give it to them. Jerry I agree Jerry. The ones persecuting him dont understand that he does it because he loves them and and cares about what happens to them. They have a right to what ever religion they choose, but handing out a coin with a Bible verse on it is hardly forcing them to convert. Ill be praying for this soldier. In my theology, the use of the name of the Deity in public and political contexts is considered blasphemy. James |
Bible coin -- Marine removed from duty over Bible coin reports
On Wed, 4 Jun 2008 21:41:11 -0500, "Brian Oakley"
wrote: Marine removed from duty over Bible coin reports BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- A U.S. Marine in Iraq has been removed from duty amid complaints that he was handing out coins with Bible verses at an American checkpoint, the military said Thursday. A military spokesman said Iraqis in Falluja complained that the Marine was giving the coins, which were printed in Arabic, to people at an entry control point in Falluja. U.S. military regulations prohibit religious proselytizing. "This has our full attention," said Col. James L. Welsh, chief of staff of Multi-National Force, West. "We deeply value our relationship with the local citizens and share their concerns over this serious incident." At least one of the coins is stamped with the words "Where will you spend eternity?" according to a report published Thursday by McClatchy Newspapers. The other side of the coin reportedly contains a verse from John 3:16 that reads, "For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish, but have eternal life." Several Falluja residents said they were given the coins over a two-day period and complained that U.S. troops, whom they consider foreign occupiers, were acting as Christian missionaries. "Regulations prohibit members of the coalition force from proselytizing any religion, faith or practices," said Col. Bill Buckner, a coalition spokesman. "Our troops are trained on those guidelines before they deploy." A military statement said "appropriate action" will be taken if the reports are substantiated. The reports stoked religious concerns in Iraq just weeks after Iraqi police discovered that a U.S. soldier had used the Quran, Islam's holy book, for target practice. The U.S. commander in Baghdad took the unusual step of holding a public ceremony and reading a letter of apology from the soldier, a sniper section leader, to local Iraqi leaders. Many in attendance were members and leaders of Sunni militias that the U.S. military has courted to help fight al Qaeda in Iraq and other insurgents. Sunnis often face criticism from other Iraqis for cooperating with American troops. Falluja, also a mostly Sunni city, was the scene of bitter and bloody fighting early in the Iraq war between U.S. troops, al Qaeda in Iraq and Sunni insurgents loyal to Saddam Hussein. To the Marine, read Luke 6, 22-23. Strange, isn't it? A Christian serviceman is trying to avoid violence and build rapport, and the Islamic locals want his head. And the PC Marines are going to give it to them. I agree Jerry. The ones persecuting him dont understand that he does it because he loves them and and cares about what happens to them. They have a right to what ever religion they choose, but handing out a coin with a Bible verse on it is hardly forcing them to convert. That form of religious arrogance is exactly why they are at war with us and why we are hated around the world. Ill be praying for this soldier. Pray that he is transferred to some post where his disobediance of orders and intolerance for the beliefs of others will not continue to aggravate this conflict. -- Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida |
Bible coin -- Marine removed from duty over Bible coin reports
Strange, isn't it? A Christian serviceman is trying to avoid violence and build rapport, and the Islamic locals want his head. And the PC Marines are going to give it to them. I agree Jerry. The ones persecuting him dont understand that he does it because he loves them and and cares about what happens to them. They have a right to what ever religion they choose, but handing out a coin with a Bible verse on it is hardly forcing them to convert. That form of religious arrogance is exactly why they are at war with us and why we are hated around the world. Ill be praying for this soldier. Pray that he is transferred to some post where his disobediance of orders and intolerance for the beliefs of others will not continue to aggravate this conflict. -- Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida Hear hear. Another Christofascist trying to bring about armageddon. Send him to the brig for endangering fellow marines. * /?\ /___\ -O=O- ^ AS & His Magic Hat A conclusion is simply the place where you decided to stop thinking. |
Bible coin -- Marine removed from duty over Bible coin reports
"Coffee's For Closers" wrote in message g... I think it was a dumb idea to hand them out. As I understand it, Islam includes Jesus Of Nazareth as a wise prophet, but NOT as the Messiah/savior. So Muslims have respect with limits, which is OK. Prostheletising is annoying enough if it is LDS, or JW, or Scientologist, in a country that is at peace. And I feel that it is totally out of line to do it in a context where the audience feels forcibly occupied by an army that is associated with death and destruction. And then at a roadblock where the foreigners make you ask permission to travel in your own country. It is simply violating common sense to hand those items out then and there. Personally, I would be extra ****ed-off to receive a religious suggestion in an equivalent context. And, while I might just have a negative opinion, there are people in Iraq who may feel encouraged to act out physically, which is bad for everyone involved. Very well put. Thanks for posting my thoughts for me. ;) The only thing I'd add off the top of my head is how although this is almost certainly an isolated (and fairly minor) incident, it reinforces the notion that our presence over there is "The Crusades Redux". What he did was even more idiotic examined in the context of the history of the region. The last thing we need is to hand the bad guys one more bit of evidence against us to use as a recruiting tool. And speaking of "tools", throwing this one in the brig is exactly what's needed here. He ought to be on his knees thanking his god that he didn't stop a Muslim bullet with his head. I'm glad for him in that regard...now he needs to pay the price for his sin and/or naivete. Although I'd certainly consider it a waste, I don't much care if he wants to martyr himself; I'd just rather he did it on his own time, under the aegis of his own authority...not ours. And while we're on the subject of tools (listening Oakley?) he's not being "persecuted". He's going to be (hopefully) "prosecuted" and punished (again, hopefully) in appropriate measure for violating the agreement that he made with the Marine Corps. Or doesn't his word count for something, and shouldn't he be held accountable for his actions? |
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