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222 Last Problem - Hopefully
Hi All
OK, got the box sounding like a winner, turned out to be a few 12ax7's were bad, got the mech to pick up records and actually play them, now to fix the last problem I am having. This was there when I got the box, but I figured it would go away when I had the Control Unit and the Amp rebuilt, wrong, still present. The problem is, without fail, when you select one record, it always has to play something else randomly, however, it always plays the selection you picked. Sometimes after it plays everything, and does it's last scan and stops, it will pick that record whan you make the next selection before playing the one you actually selected. Since this was a problem that was there when I purchased the box, I have ruled out any adjustments I have made after rebuilding the clutch assy and readjusting the clutch's 1-2-3 & 4. Also, I am ruling out the TSU,as that was totaly gone through and tested by a shop that does this work regulary. Any Ideas. As always, thanks in advance. C.G. --- Synchronet 3.15a-Win32 NewsLink 1.85 Valhalla Home Services! - Over 100 Online Games! - telnet://valhalla.synchro.net |
222 Last Problem - Hopefully
Check the tormat that everything is lined up properly. Could be it's
off just a slight bit causing two selections at once. Make sure all the contacts are spotless and the ground plate. DesotoFireflite wrote: Hi All OK, got the box sounding like a winner, turned out to be a few 12ax7's were bad, got the mech to pick up records and actually play them, now to fix the last problem I am having. This was there when I got the box, but I figured it would go away when I had the Control Unit and the Amp rebuilt, wrong, still present. The problem is, without fail, when you select one record, it always has to play something else randomly, however, it always plays the selection you picked. Sometimes after it plays everything, and does it's last scan and stops, it will pick that record whan you make the next selection before playing the one you actually selected. Since this was a problem that was there when I purchased the box, I have ruled out any adjustments I have made after rebuilding the clutch assy and readjusting the clutch's 1-2-3 & 4. Also, I am ruling out the TSU,as that was totaly gone through and tested by a shop that does this work regulary. Any Ideas. As always, thanks in advance. C.G. --- Synchronet 3.15a-Win32 NewsLink 1.85 Valhalla Home Services! - Over 100 Online Games! - telnet://valhalla.synchro.net |
222 Last Problem - Hopefully
To: Dave Beck
222 Last Problem - Hopefully By: Dave Beck to alt.collecting.juke-boxes on Fri Jul 11 2008 06:50 am Check the tormat that everything is lined up properly. Could be it's off just a slight bit causing two selections at once. Make sure all the contacts are spotless and the ground plate. Been there, done that. Being you suggested it, I will go back and check my work. With these bi-focals, I may have missed something. This thing is kicking my butt big time. Thanks for the response --- Synchronet 3.15a-Win32 NewsLink 1.85 Valhalla Home Services! - Over 100 Online Games! - telnet://valhalla.synchro.net |
222 Last Problem - Hopefully
DesotoFireflite wrote:
Hi All OK, got the box sounding like a winner, turned out to be a few 12ax7's were bad, got the mech to pick up records and actually play them, now to fix the last problem I am having. This was there when I got the box, but I figured it would go away when I had the Control Unit and the Amp rebuilt, wrong, still present. The problem is, without fail, when you select one record, it always has to play something else randomly, however, it always plays the selection you picked. Sometimes after it plays everything, and does it's last scan and stops, it will pick that record whan you make the next selection before playing the one you actually selected. Since this was a problem that was there when I purchased the box, I have ruled out any adjustments I have made after rebuilding the clutch assy and readjusting the clutch's 1-2-3 & 4. Also, I am ruling out the TSU,as that was totaly gone through and tested by a shop that does this work regulary. Any Ideas. As always, thanks in advance. C.G. --- Synchronet 3.15a-Win32 NewsLink 1.85 Valhalla Home Services! - Over 100 Online Games! - telnet://valhalla.synchro.net This sounds like a miss-firing DETENT switch. Lift it out from the side of the mechanism, clean it, check for corrosion on the points, then adjust it as per the manual. A check if the DETENT is working properly is to hook up a meter from the 'high' side of the switch and ground, then have the machine scan. If the Detent is working correctly (and you hooked the probe to the correct side of the switch) you should see a consistent pulse voltage on the meter as it scans up and then back. Both directions should have almost the same average voltage reading. An Analogue movement is easiest to see this, but a modern cheap digital meter will work well enough. Now if your Detent switch is not working well you will see the voltage bounce around as the contacts close and open erratically due to either dirt, oil (etc.), bad adjustments, or problem with the wipers on the Tormat unit. Of course clean and polish the Tormat contacts and the center ground plate that all the pins slide on... John :-#)# -- (Please post followups or tech inquiries to the newsgroup) John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, Video Games) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out." |
222 Last Problem - Hopefully
To: John Robertson
222 Last Problem - Hopefully By: John Robertson to alt.collecting.juke-boxes on Fri Jul 11 2008 06:40 pm This sounds like a miss-firing DETENT switch. Lift it out from the side of the mechanism, clean it, check for corrosion on the points, then adjust it as per the manual. I cleaned this before I did the clutch overhaul, but thinking back, I don't remember if I readjusted it after the job. What does the DETENT switch do, my manuel is real vauge when it comes to that switch, and it only gives 1 page as a refrence. Will that cause random selections to play?. Thanks for your reply. I love this box, and I would love to see it at peak performance. --- Synchronet 3.15a-Win32 NewsLink 1.85 Valhalla Home Services! - Over 100 Online Games! - telnet://valhalla.synchro.net |
222 Last Problem - Hopefully
DesotoFireflite wrote:
To: John Robertson 222 Last Problem - Hopefully By: John Robertson to alt.collecting.juke-boxes on Fri Jul 11 2008 06:40 pm This sounds like a miss-firing DETENT switch. Lift it out from the side of the mechanism, clean it, check for corrosion on the points, then adjust it as per the manual. I cleaned this before I did the clutch overhaul, but thinking back, I don't remember if I readjusted it after the job. What does the DETENT switch do, my manuel is real vauge when it comes to that switch, and it only gives 1 page as a refrence. Will that cause random selections to play?. Thanks for your reply. I love this box, and I would love to see it at peak performance. --- Synchronet 3.15a-Win32 NewsLink 1.85 Valhalla Home Services! - Over 100 Online Games! - telnet://valhalla.synchro.net The Detent switch sets the timing for the read pulses to the Tormat contacts. If it is off or not working well then you can not read contacts (not trip the toroid) and/or get extra trips because of arcing. John :-#)# -- (Please post followups or tech inquiries to the newsgroup) John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, Video Games) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out." |
222 Last Problem - Hopefully
To: John Robertson
222 Last Problem - Hopefully By: John Robertson to alt.collecting.juke-boxes on Sat Jul 12 2008 02:48 am The Detent switch sets the timing for the read pulses to the Tormat contacts. If it is off or not working well then you can not read contacts (not trip the toroid) and/or get extra trips because of arcing. Ok, that is now done. I now have good contact after a good cleaning and burnishing. All adjustments have been made, but the problem still exist. When I first did the cleaning and adjustments, and turned the unit back on, it seemed to stop on almost every selection on the odd side, now that everything has played through, it's back to it random play with every selection you play. Any other ideas. As always, thanks for your help. --- Synchronet 3.15a-Win32 NewsLink 1.85 Valhalla Home Services! - Over 100 Online Games! - telnet://valhalla.synchro.net |
222 Last Problem - Hopefully
I have kinda gotten lost in the long threads so ...if you have done
these i just didnt see it . I would go through the contact block that rides along the tormat . There are little wires that like to come loose under it . Also make sure the pins in it are moving free and touching the tormat firmly . Next the 12AX7 on that little metal module where a RCA plug goes . Then i would check-trade out the 2050 tubes . |
222 Last Problem - Hopefully
To: goodguyy
222 Last Problem - Hopefully By: goodguyy to alt.collecting.juke-boxes on Sun Jul 13 2008 10:55 am I would go through the contact block that rides along the tormat . There are little wires that like to come loose under it . Also make sure the pins in it are moving free and touching the tormat firmly . Done, and the adjustments are right on target acording to the manual. Next the 12AX7 on that little metal module where a RCA plug goes . Then i would check-trade out the 2050 tubes . Replaced both tubes twice with new tubes. I am so lost. I got rid of another seeburg 6 years ago because of the same problem, and swore I would never get another one, but I really like this model, and it's right in every other aspect. I am pulling my hair out over this. It always has to pick some stray song. I guess I should be thankful it plays the one I select also. BFG Thanks for the reply. I may start a new thread on this just to clear up what I have done. - C.G. Learn - Valhalla Home Services! - Telnet://valhalla.synchro.net - A Gamers Paradise - Over 100 Registered Online Game Doors! --- Synchronet 3.15a-Win32 NewsLink 1.85 Valhalla Home Services! - Over 100 Online Games! - telnet://valhalla.synchro.net |
222 Last Problem - Hopefully
DesotoFireflite wrote:
To: John Robertson 222 Last Problem - Hopefully By: John Robertson to alt.collecting.juke-boxes on Sat Jul 12 2008 02:48 am The Detent switch sets the timing for the read pulses to the Tormat contacts. If it is off or not working well then you can not read contacts (not trip the toroid) and/or get extra trips because of arcing. Ok, that is now done. I now have good contact after a good cleaning and burnishing. All adjustments have been made, but the problem still exist. When I first did the cleaning and adjustments, and turned the unit back on, it seemed to stop on almost every selection on the odd side, now that everything has played through, it's back to it random play with every selection you play. Any other ideas. As always, thanks for your help. --- Synchronet 3.15a-Win32 NewsLink 1.85 Valhalla Home Services! - Over 100 Online Games! - telnet://valhalla.synchro.net WHen you had the Tormat Control Center repbuilt did they check the small pre-amp module ("L" shaped with a 12AX7)? I've found that the resistors in that unit if erratic or off-value will produce strange results...a voltage test should show if there is a problem, or check the resistors against the chart. John :-#)# -- (Please post followups or tech inquiries to the newsgroup) John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, Video Games) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out." |
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