Ebay note grading
I am currently acquiring a fairly large amount of Indonesian paper
money from Ebay. With some exceptions it is quite affordable, although there are unfortunately some collectors with more money than sense willing to pay huge amounts over the odds for the rare notes. Apart from forgery, which is a major concern (certain notes are ALL fake on ebay), the other problem is buying good quality notes, as sellers sometimes do not disclose grade, and it can be difficult to discern the quality of colour from the images shown. Here is one note I recently purchased, a 1 July 1927 Netherlands Indies 25 Gulden for $20 http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...m=180228816008 This is is catalogued at $70 in XF, $14 in F, and $4.50 in G, so it seemed like an OK buy. The note is bright on its face, with a small dirt spot on the top left of the border, a twice-folded top right corner, and minor dogears on the other corners, a very small folded-over tear on the left (visible in the photo). There is a hard centre crease that does not affect the face. On the back, the note is much less attractive, possibly in part because of its design. The central crease is suffering from heavy rubbing with loss of the design in the crease area (this is less noticeable in the picture but immediately so in handling) How do I grade this? And how do I do so before buying? I guess it is merely F grade, so it is not cheap at the price I paid. Correct? My main concern is that the notes I buy are bright and attractive. Some of the 1950s Indonesian notes are quite beautiful. For instance, the reverse of the 1952 100 rupiah has some colourful birds and patterns: http://bp3.blogger.com/_y8y_ZpVbpsk/...budayaan+6.JPG (picture at top is genuine, bottom is counterfeit) while the face is also quite nice: (again, the top note is genuine) http://bp0.blogger.com/_y8y_ZpVbpsk/...budayaan+7.JPG So when I see one on sale, I would like to add it to my collection. But not if it does not retain its original beauty. So how is one to judge something like this? http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Indonesia-1952...QQcmdZViewItem The seller does not give any grades for any of his notes, unless they are UNC, merely saying that it is circulated. In this case there is only one side of the note shown. What grade would you say that it is? Disregarding the price is it a nice piece? It is quite hard to tell from small pictures made from scanners that do not necessarily reproduce colour accurately anyway. It is quite hard to buy things when sellers do not describe them. I would be surprised if anyone would pay $250 for this: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Indonesia-1957...QQcmdZViewItem without any statement on the condition (slight dirt I can see, but are there folds, or is that a security thread I see?). |
Ebay note grading
At least if it has some folds it's not been ironed, hopefully.
I would be wary of buying form some who sells a lot of notes, this seller doesn't, but claims to be unable to grade them, they may be hoping that bidders that think a note looks EF on the scan, for example, will bid accordingly. I would also hold back if only one side of the note is shown. The main thing is do not buy from an ebay seller who's older notes are all "high grade" as there is just one way of having no lower grade old notes to sell. We all take a gamble from time to time just don't make a habit of it. :-) Billy "Matthew Brealey" wrote in message ... I am currently acquiring a fairly large amount of Indonesian paper money from Ebay. With some exceptions it is quite affordable, although there are unfortunately some collectors with more money than sense willing to pay huge amounts over the odds for the rare notes. Apart from forgery, which is a major concern (certain notes are ALL fake on ebay), the other problem is buying good quality notes, as sellers sometimes do not disclose grade, and it can be difficult to discern the quality of colour from the images shown. Here is one note I recently purchased, a 1 July 1927 Netherlands Indies 25 Gulden for $20 http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...m=180228816008 This is is catalogued at $70 in XF, $14 in F, and $4.50 in G, so it seemed like an OK buy. The note is bright on its face, with a small dirt spot on the top left of the border, a twice-folded top right corner, and minor dogears on the other corners, a very small folded-over tear on the left (visible in the photo). There is a hard centre crease that does not affect the face. On the back, the note is much less attractive, possibly in part because of its design. The central crease is suffering from heavy rubbing with loss of the design in the crease area (this is less noticeable in the picture but immediately so in handling) How do I grade this? And how do I do so before buying? I guess it is merely F grade, so it is not cheap at the price I paid. Correct? My main concern is that the notes I buy are bright and attractive. Some of the 1950s Indonesian notes are quite beautiful. For instance, the reverse of the 1952 100 rupiah has some colourful birds and patterns: http://bp3.blogger.com/_y8y_ZpVbpsk/...budayaan+6.JPG (picture at top is genuine, bottom is counterfeit) while the face is also quite nice: (again, the top note is genuine) http://bp0.blogger.com/_y8y_ZpVbpsk/...budayaan+7.JPG So when I see one on sale, I would like to add it to my collection. But not if it does not retain its original beauty. So how is one to judge something like this? http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Indonesia-1952...QQcmdZViewItem The seller does not give any grades for any of his notes, unless they are UNC, merely saying that it is circulated. In this case there is only one side of the note shown. What grade would you say that it is? Disregarding the price is it a nice piece? It is quite hard to tell from small pictures made from scanners that do not necessarily reproduce colour accurately anyway. It is quite hard to buy things when sellers do not describe them. I would be surprised if anyone would pay $250 for this: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Indonesia-1957...QQcmdZViewItem without any statement on the condition (slight dirt I can see, but are there folds, or is that a security thread I see?). |
Ebay note grading
Hello
My practice with notes that have not been graded by the seller is to ask for a large scan of both sides of the banknote If they do not send the scan I do not bid. Also pay attention to the corners of the banknote they usually show the first signs of handling. Regards Andrew "Matthew Brealey" wrote in message ... I am currently acquiring a fairly large amount of Indonesian paper money from Ebay. With some exceptions it is quite affordable, although there are unfortunately some collectors with more money than sense willing to pay huge amounts over the odds for the rare notes. Apart from forgery, which is a major concern (certain notes are ALL fake on ebay), the other problem is buying good quality notes, as sellers sometimes do not disclose grade, and it can be difficult to discern the quality of colour from the images shown. Here is one note I recently purchased, a 1 July 1927 Netherlands Indies 25 Gulden for $20 http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...m=180228816008 This is is catalogued at $70 in XF, $14 in F, and $4.50 in G, so it seemed like an OK buy. The note is bright on its face, with a small dirt spot on the top left of the border, a twice-folded top right corner, and minor dogears on the other corners, a very small folded-over tear on the left (visible in the photo). There is a hard centre crease that does not affect the face. On the back, the note is much less attractive, possibly in part because of its design. The central crease is suffering from heavy rubbing with loss of the design in the crease area (this is less noticeable in the picture but immediately so in handling) How do I grade this? And how do I do so before buying? I guess it is merely F grade, so it is not cheap at the price I paid. Correct? My main concern is that the notes I buy are bright and attractive. Some of the 1950s Indonesian notes are quite beautiful. For instance, the reverse of the 1952 100 rupiah has some colourful birds and patterns: http://bp3.blogger.com/_y8y_ZpVbpsk/...budayaan+6.JPG (picture at top is genuine, bottom is counterfeit) while the face is also quite nice: (again, the top note is genuine) http://bp0.blogger.com/_y8y_ZpVbpsk/...budayaan+7.JPG So when I see one on sale, I would like to add it to my collection. But not if it does not retain its original beauty. So how is one to judge something like this? http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Indonesia-1952...QQcmdZViewItem The seller does not give any grades for any of his notes, unless they are UNC, merely saying that it is circulated. In this case there is only one side of the note shown. What grade would you say that it is? Disregarding the price is it a nice piece? It is quite hard to tell from small pictures made from scanners that do not necessarily reproduce colour accurately anyway. It is quite hard to buy things when sellers do not describe them. I would be surprised if anyone would pay $250 for this: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Indonesia-1957...QQcmdZViewItem without any statement on the condition (slight dirt I can see, but are there folds, or is that a security thread I see?). |
Ebay note grading
I agree that it's suspicious if a seller claims not to know how to grade a
note. It's not as if the criteria isn't well documented: http://www.owenink.com/banknotes/grading.html Personally, I would never buy from a dealer who refused to assign a grade to a note and be willing to back it up with a money-back guarantee. On 4/14/08 8:52 AM, in article , "note.boy" wrote: At least if it has some folds it's not been ironed, hopefully. I would be wary of buying form some who sells a lot of notes, this seller doesn't, but claims to be unable to grade them, they may be hoping that bidders that think a note looks EF on the scan, for example, will bid accordingly. I would also hold back if only one side of the note is shown. The main thing is do not buy from an ebay seller who's older notes are all "high grade" as there is just one way of having no lower grade old notes to sell. We all take a gamble from time to time just don't make a habit of it. :-) Billy "Matthew Brealey" wrote in message ... I am currently acquiring a fairly large amount of Indonesian paper money from Ebay. With some exceptions it is quite affordable, although there are unfortunately some collectors with more money than sense willing to pay huge amounts over the odds for the rare notes. Apart from forgery, which is a major concern (certain notes are ALL fake on ebay), the other problem is buying good quality notes, as sellers sometimes do not disclose grade, and it can be difficult to discern the quality of colour from the images shown. Here is one note I recently purchased, a 1 July 1927 Netherlands Indies 25 Gulden for $20 http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...m=180228816008 This is is catalogued at $70 in XF, $14 in F, and $4.50 in G, so it seemed like an OK buy. The note is bright on its face, with a small dirt spot on the top left of the border, a twice-folded top right corner, and minor dogears on the other corners, a very small folded-over tear on the left (visible in the photo). There is a hard centre crease that does not affect the face. On the back, the note is much less attractive, possibly in part because of its design. The central crease is suffering from heavy rubbing with loss of the design in the crease area (this is less noticeable in the picture but immediately so in handling) How do I grade this? And how do I do so before buying? I guess it is merely F grade, so it is not cheap at the price I paid. Correct? My main concern is that the notes I buy are bright and attractive. Some of the 1950s Indonesian notes are quite beautiful. For instance, the reverse of the 1952 100 rupiah has some colourful birds and patterns: http://bp3.blogger.com/_y8y_ZpVbpsk/...7UTE8Zs4/s1600 -h/Kebudayaan+6.JPG (picture at top is genuine, bottom is counterfeit) while the face is also quite nice: (again, the top note is genuine) http://bp0.blogger.com/_y8y_ZpVbpsk/...yaA8TqCI/s1600 -h/Kebudayaan+7.JPG So when I see one on sale, I would like to add it to my collection. But not if it does not retain its original beauty. So how is one to judge something like this? http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Indonesia-1952...temZ1902108138 77QQihZ009QQcategoryZ4369QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQ cmdZViewItem The seller does not give any grades for any of his notes, unless they are UNC, merely saying that it is circulated. In this case there is only one side of the note shown. What grade would you say that it is? Disregarding the price is it a nice piece? It is quite hard to tell from small pictures made from scanners that do not necessarily reproduce colour accurately anyway. It is quite hard to buy things when sellers do not describe them. I would be surprised if anyone would pay $250 for this: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Indonesia-1957...l-Serial-5_W0Q QitemZ190208293535QQihZ009QQcategoryZ4369QQssPageN ameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewIte m without any statement on the condition (slight dirt I can see, but are there folds, or is that a security thread I see?). |
Ebay note grading
"Andrew" wrote in message ... Hello My practice with notes that have not been graded by the seller is to ask for a large scan of both sides of the banknote If they do not send the scan I do not bid. Also pay attention to the corners of the banknote they usually show the first signs of handling. Regards Andrew Always without fail ask to see the reverse of the note, most often folds are performed by folding in the face of the note, and the paper on the reverse is creased or even broken by the fold. From my collecting experience with European notes, I notice that most of the problem notes seem to come out of France, or Britain, regardless of where the notes originated ie Portugal etc. |
Ebay note grading
Can you email that link to every note seller on eBay, thanks. :-) Billy
"Owen W. Linzmayer" wrote in message ... I agree that it's suspicious if a seller claims not to know how to grade a note. It's not as if the criteria isn't well documented: http://www.owenink.com/banknotes/grading.html Personally, I would never buy from a dealer who refused to assign a grade to a note and be willing to back it up with a money-back guarantee. On 4/14/08 8:52 AM, in article , "note.boy" wrote: At least if it has some folds it's not been ironed, hopefully. I would be wary of buying form some who sells a lot of notes, this seller doesn't, but claims to be unable to grade them, they may be hoping that bidders that think a note looks EF on the scan, for example, will bid accordingly. I would also hold back if only one side of the note is shown. The main thing is do not buy from an ebay seller who's older notes are all "high grade" as there is just one way of having no lower grade old notes to sell. We all take a gamble from time to time just don't make a habit of it. :-) Billy "Matthew Brealey" wrote in message ... I am currently acquiring a fairly large amount of Indonesian paper money from Ebay. With some exceptions it is quite affordable, although there are unfortunately some collectors with more money than sense willing to pay huge amounts over the odds for the rare notes. Apart from forgery, which is a major concern (certain notes are ALL fake on ebay), the other problem is buying good quality notes, as sellers sometimes do not disclose grade, and it can be difficult to discern the quality of colour from the images shown. Here is one note I recently purchased, a 1 July 1927 Netherlands Indies 25 Gulden for $20 http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...m=180228816008 This is is catalogued at $70 in XF, $14 in F, and $4.50 in G, so it seemed like an OK buy. The note is bright on its face, with a small dirt spot on the top left of the border, a twice-folded top right corner, and minor dogears on the other corners, a very small folded-over tear on the left (visible in the photo). There is a hard centre crease that does not affect the face. On the back, the note is much less attractive, possibly in part because of its design. The central crease is suffering from heavy rubbing with loss of the design in the crease area (this is less noticeable in the picture but immediately so in handling) How do I grade this? And how do I do so before buying? I guess it is merely F grade, so it is not cheap at the price I paid. Correct? My main concern is that the notes I buy are bright and attractive. Some of the 1950s Indonesian notes are quite beautiful. For instance, the reverse of the 1952 100 rupiah has some colourful birds and patterns: http://bp3.blogger.com/_y8y_ZpVbpsk/...7UTE8Zs4/s1600 -h/Kebudayaan+6.JPG (picture at top is genuine, bottom is counterfeit) while the face is also quite nice: (again, the top note is genuine) http://bp0.blogger.com/_y8y_ZpVbpsk/...yaA8TqCI/s1600 -h/Kebudayaan+7.JPG So when I see one on sale, I would like to add it to my collection. But not if it does not retain its original beauty. So how is one to judge something like this? http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Indonesia-1952...temZ1902108138 77QQihZ009QQcategoryZ4369QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQ cmdZViewItem The seller does not give any grades for any of his notes, unless they are UNC, merely saying that it is circulated. In this case there is only one side of the note shown. What grade would you say that it is? Disregarding the price is it a nice piece? It is quite hard to tell from small pictures made from scanners that do not necessarily reproduce colour accurately anyway. It is quite hard to buy things when sellers do not describe them. I would be surprised if anyone would pay $250 for this: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Indonesia-1957...l-Serial-5_W0Q QitemZ190208293535QQihZ009QQcategoryZ4369QQssPageN ameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewIte m without any statement on the condition (slight dirt I can see, but are there folds, or is that a security thread I see?). |
Ebay note grading
Buying a note that's been "improved" is the biggest danger on ebay, I love
to see signs of handling on a note, a few creases are OK by me also. Billy "Andrew" wrote in message ... Hello My practice with notes that have not been graded by the seller is to ask for a large scan of both sides of the banknote If they do not send the scan I do not bid. Also pay attention to the corners of the banknote they usually show the first signs of handling. Regards Andrew "Matthew Brealey" wrote in message ... I am currently acquiring a fairly large amount of Indonesian paper money from Ebay. With some exceptions it is quite affordable, although there are unfortunately some collectors with more money than sense willing to pay huge amounts over the odds for the rare notes. Apart from forgery, which is a major concern (certain notes are ALL fake on ebay), the other problem is buying good quality notes, as sellers sometimes do not disclose grade, and it can be difficult to discern the quality of colour from the images shown. Here is one note I recently purchased, a 1 July 1927 Netherlands Indies 25 Gulden for $20 http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...m=180228816008 This is is catalogued at $70 in XF, $14 in F, and $4.50 in G, so it seemed like an OK buy. The note is bright on its face, with a small dirt spot on the top left of the border, a twice-folded top right corner, and minor dogears on the other corners, a very small folded-over tear on the left (visible in the photo). There is a hard centre crease that does not affect the face. On the back, the note is much less attractive, possibly in part because of its design. The central crease is suffering from heavy rubbing with loss of the design in the crease area (this is less noticeable in the picture but immediately so in handling) How do I grade this? And how do I do so before buying? I guess it is merely F grade, so it is not cheap at the price I paid. Correct? My main concern is that the notes I buy are bright and attractive. Some of the 1950s Indonesian notes are quite beautiful. For instance, the reverse of the 1952 100 rupiah has some colourful birds and patterns: http://bp3.blogger.com/_y8y_ZpVbpsk/...budayaan+6.JPG (picture at top is genuine, bottom is counterfeit) while the face is also quite nice: (again, the top note is genuine) http://bp0.blogger.com/_y8y_ZpVbpsk/...budayaan+7.JPG So when I see one on sale, I would like to add it to my collection. But not if it does not retain its original beauty. So how is one to judge something like this? http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Indonesia-1952...QQcmdZViewItem The seller does not give any grades for any of his notes, unless they are UNC, merely saying that it is circulated. In this case there is only one side of the note shown. What grade would you say that it is? Disregarding the price is it a nice piece? It is quite hard to tell from small pictures made from scanners that do not necessarily reproduce colour accurately anyway. It is quite hard to buy things when sellers do not describe them. I would be surprised if anyone would pay $250 for this: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Indonesia-1957...QQcmdZViewItem without any statement on the condition (slight dirt I can see, but are there folds, or is that a security thread I see?). |
Ebay note grading
On 15 Apr, 19:27, "note.boy" wrote:
Can you email that link to every note seller on eBay, thanks. *:-) *Billy This guy could use it http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=360042158478 70,000 feedback selling money and claims not to be able to grade stuff. |
Ebay note grading
On 16 Apr, 00:37, Matthew Brealey wrote:
On 15 Apr, 19:27, "note.boy" wrote: Can you email that link to every note seller on eBay, thanks. *:-) *Billy This guy could use it http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=360042158478 70,000 feedback selling money and claims not to be able to grade stuff. Actually, this is probably a better example: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=360043154933 |
Ebay note grading
It's simply impossible to accurately grade a note based upon scans, no
matter how detailed. It's a complete cop out when a seller who often sells notes claims to be unable to grade a note. Either the seller is lazy or has something to hide. On 4/15/08 4:39 PM, in article , "Matthew Brealey" wrote: On 16 Apr, 00:37, Matthew Brealey wrote: On 15 Apr, 19:27, "note.boy" wrote: Can you email that link to every note seller on eBay, thanks. *:-) *Billy This guy could use it http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=360042158478 70,000 feedback selling money and claims not to be able to grade stuff. Actually, this is probably a better example: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=360043154933 |
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