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Miniature Sheet...MNH or not MNH?...
There is a seller advertising a Mini Sheet which comprises 6 stamps in it.
In the item description he says it's MNH but there are post office seals placed over the 6 stamps! Sure, the post office seals look very odonate and look like they are placed by a machine and not by hand. But they are still seals on the stamps... My question is if the MNH representation for this set is misguiding or not? Is this set considered "used" or not? tnx -- E' mai possibile, oh porco di un cane, che le avventure in codesto reame debban risolversi tutte con grandi puttane! F.d.A Coins, travels and mo http://s208.photobucket.com/albums/bb120/golanule/ http://gogu.enosi.org/index.html |
Miniature Sheet...MNH or not MNH?...
On 4/26/2012 5:27 PM, gogu wrote:
There is a seller advertising a Mini Sheet which comprises 6 stamps in it. In the item description he says it's MNH but there are post office seals placed over the 6 stamps! Sure, the post office seals look very odonate and look like they are placed by a machine and not by hand. But they are still seals on the stamps... My question is if the MNH representation for this set is misguiding or not? Is this set considered "used" or not? I am not sure what you mean by 'post office seals' from your European viewpoint (picture?), but 'mint' means as packaged at the printer and delivered to the post office. 'Used' means sent through the mails. CTO (cancelled to order) means cancelled (not mint) but also not used. Anything else glued on is just 'defaced' and possibly/probably worthless unless there is some special circumstance I cannot think of ;-). tjr |
Miniature Sheet...MNH or not MNH?...
Ο "Terry Reedy" έγραψε στο μήνυμα
... On 4/26/2012 5:27 PM, gogu wrote: There is a seller advertising a Mini Sheet which comprises 6 stamps in it. In the item description he says it's MNH but there are post office seals placed over the 6 stamps! Sure, the post office seals look very odonate and look like they are placed by a machine and not by hand. But they are still seals on the stamps... My question is if the MNH representation for this set is misguiding or not? Is this set considered "used" or not? I am not sure what you mean by 'post office seals' from your European viewpoint (picture?), The seal applied by the post office when you send a letter! "Cancelled" may be the correct term but I am new in the hobby and I don't know much about terminology;-) but 'mint' means as packaged at the printer and delivered to the post office. 'Used' means sent through the mails. CTO (cancelled to order) means cancelled (not mint) but also not used. Probably this is the case! If this is the case, still the use of the term "MNH" to describe it is misguiding, is this correct? In this case, such sets do thye command the same value as true MNH sets or they trade for less? tnx Terry -- E' mai possibile, oh porco di un cane, che le avventure in codesto reame debban risolversi tutte con grandi puttane! F.d.A Coins, travels and mo http://s208.photobucket.com/albums/bb120/golanule/ http://gogu.enosi.org/index.html Anything else glued on is just 'defaced' and possibly/probably worthless unless there is some special circumstance I cannot think of ;-). tjr |
Miniature Sheet...MNH or not MNH?...
Am 26.04.2012 23:27, schrieb gogu:
There is a seller advertising a Mini Sheet which comprises 6 stamps in it. In the item description he says it's MNH but there are post office seals placed over the 6 stamps! Sure, the post office seals look very odonate and look like they are placed by a machine and not by hand. But they are still seals on the stamps... My question is if the MNH representation for this set is misguiding or not? Is this set considered "used" or not? tnx I don't quite understand - but I think what you are up to, is "cancelled to order, with gum". Is what you call "seal" just a cancel from a post office? Peter |
Miniature Sheet...MNH or not MNH?...
? "Peter Buder" ?????? ??? ??????
... Am 26.04.2012 23:27, schrieb gogu: There is a seller advertising a Mini Sheet which comprises 6 stamps in it. In the item description he says it's MNH but there are post office seals placed over the 6 stamps! Sure, the post office seals look very odonate and look like they are placed by a machine and not by hand. But they are still seals on the stamps... My question is if the MNH representation for this set is misguiding or not? Is this set considered "used" or not? tnx I don't quite understand - but I think what you are up to, is "cancelled to order, with gum". Is what you call "seal" just a cancel from a post office? No, seal or stamp on stamp, cancelled, but I lack the proper terminology;-) As Terry suggested it's a CTO set, no stamp from the post office as I thought initially. While these sets go for around 3 pounds on eBay (MNH), such sets go for around 1 pound in CTO. What should I do, buy the MNH set or the CTO? What's better to buy? Questions, questions... rgrds -- E' mai possibile, oh porco di un cane, che le avventure in codesto reame debban risolversi tutte con grandi puttane! F.d.A Coins, travels and mo http://s208.photobucket.com/albums/bb120/golanule/ http://gogu.enosi.org/index.html Peter |
Miniature Sheet...MNH or not MNH?...
On Fri, 27 Apr 2012 00:27:52 +0300, "gogu"
sharpened a crayon and wrote: There is a seller advertising a Mini Sheet which comprises 6 stamps in it. In the item description he says it's MNH but there are post office seals placed over the 6 stamps! Sure, the post office seals look very odonate and look like they are placed by a machine and not by hand. But they are still seals on the stamps... My question is if the MNH representation for this set is misguiding or not? Is this set considered "used" or not? NOT ... unless you don't count CTO as 'Mint". NH applies only to whether it is hinged or not. 'Mint' is 'as issued' - so the 'pre-cancel' or 'Cancelled to Order' is a variant, though most prefer to place the CTO well below 'postally used'. |
Miniature Sheet...MNH or not MNH?...
? "Sir F.A. Rien" ?????? ??? ??????
... On Fri, 27 Apr 2012 00:27:52 +0300, "gogu" sharpened a crayon and wrote: There is a seller advertising a Mini Sheet which comprises 6 stamps in it. In the item description he says it's MNH but there are post office seals placed over the 6 stamps! Sure, the post office seals look very odonate and look like they are placed by a machine and not by hand. But they are still seals on the stamps... My question is if the MNH representation for this set is misguiding or not? Is this set considered "used" or not? NOT ... unless you don't count CTO as 'Mint". I don't know how to "count" it, that's why I'm asking for your expert opinion:-) NH applies only to whether it is hinged or not. I see... So you are saying that a CTO stamp/set can be described as MNH, too. 'Mint' is 'as issued' - so the 'pre-cancel' or 'Cancelled to Order' is a variant, though most prefer to place the CTO well below 'postally used'. Thanks! So if for many, the CTO are considered inferior to used, I suppose you suggest to let this CTO set go and go for the MNH... -- E' mai possibile, oh porco di un cane, che le avventure in codesto reame debban risolversi tutte con grandi puttane! F.d.A Coins, travels and mo http://s208.photobucket.com/albums/bb120/golanule/ http://gogu.enosi.org/index.html |
Miniature Sheet...MNH or not MNH?...
On 4/27/2012 2:50 AM, gogu wrote:
Γ "Terry ΓãñÑøΓ₯ óôï Γ¬ΓΓ*áìÑ I am not sure what you mean by 'post office seals' from your European viewpoint (picture?), The seal applied by the post office when you send a letter! "Cancelled" may be the correct term but I am new in the hobby and I don't know much about terminology;-) In the US, a Post Office Seal is a gummed piece of printed paper, perhaps 2 x 3 inches, used to seal an envelope closed. The first, in 1872, were used to seal the envelopes used to carry registered letters. They are also used to seal envelopes left unsealed by the sender, torn open by the P.O. machinery, or opened for inspection (customs or to find an address is the outside addresses are illegible). A few years ago, I received a mangled magazine in a plastic bag closed with such a seal. They now contain the words 'Officially Sealed'. Scott gives them the prefix letters 'OX' in its US Specialized Catalog. If the cancellations on the advertised sheet are uniformly dark all in the same position (typically one cancel cutting the corners of 4 stamps) then they were probably added at the printer or included in the original printing plate. They have no postal value and calling them mint is fraudulent. In fact, they are not really postage stamps either as they were never valid for postage. There are made-for-collectors copies of postage stamps sold by the P.O. tjr |
Miniature Sheet...MNH or not MNH?...
Ο "Terry Reedy" έγραψε στο μήνυμα
... On 4/27/2012 2:50 AM, gogu wrote: I "Terry Yanaoa ooi i?ioia I am not sure what you mean by 'post office seals' from your European viewpoint (picture?), The seal applied by the post office when you send a letter! "Cancelled" may be the correct term but I am new in the hobby and I don't know much about terminology;-) In the US, a Post Office Seal is a gummed piece of printed paper, perhaps 2 x 3 inches, used to seal an envelope closed. The first, in 1872, were used to seal the envelopes used to carry registered letters. They are also used to seal envelopes left unsealed by the sender, torn open by the P.O. machinery, or opened for inspection (customs or to find an address is the outside addresses are illegible). A few years ago, I received a mangled magazine in a plastic bag closed with such a seal. They now contain the words 'Officially Sealed'. Scott gives them the prefix letters 'OX' in its US Specialized Catalog. If the cancellations on the advertised sheet are uniformly dark all in the same position (typically one cancel cutting the corners of 4 stamps) then they were probably added at the printer or included in the original printing plate. They have no postal value and calling them mint is fraudulent. In fact, they are not really postage stamps either as they were never valid for postage. There are made-for-collectors copies of postage stamps sold by the P.O. ------------------------ Thanks Terry. Now please tell me, are these better to collect or the MNH set? What should I prefer? tnx -- E' mai possibile, oh porco di un cane, che le avventure in codesto reame debban risolversi tutte con grandi puttane! F.d.A Coins, travels and mo http://s208.photobucket.com/albums/bb120/golanule/ http://gogu.enosi.org/index.html tjr |
Miniature Sheet...MNH or not MNH?...
'Mint' is 'as issued' - so the 'pre-cancel' or 'Cancelled to Order' is
a variant, though most prefer to place the CTO well below 'postally used'. Thanks! So if for many, the CTO are considered inferior to used, I suppose you suggest to let this CTO set go and go for the MNH... Replace it when you can find either a postall used or actual Mint set. CTO's were made to sell to collectors - solely a profit operation for the post office and the hanling 'agent'. |
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