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these ponies prefer their rice well done...


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vintage Ford musclecars-kicking ricer butt into the 21st century- and beyond
 

these ponies prefer their rice well done...
I had to dust a few ricers with the Fiero GT the other night.
Some kind of Hondas with fart can exhausts. Still, you have to give the
local Phillipino lads some credit for their enthusiasm at wrenching their
(pride and joy) wheels.
Now those last gen MR2s can give me fits. I need a Northstar V8 organ
transplant.

vintage Ford musclecars-kicking ricer butt into the 21st century- and beyond
 

On Sep 19, 9:57 pm, "William W Western" wrote:
these ponies prefer their rice well done...

I had to dust a few ricers with the Fiero GT the other night.
Some kind of Hondas with fart can exhausts. Still, you have to give the
local Phillipino lads some credit for their enthusiasm at wrenching their
(pride and joy) wheels.
Now those last gen MR2s can give me fits. I need a Northstar V8 organ
transplant.

The closest Nudo will get to any Shelby is this:

http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/9...0paintema2.jpg

vintage Ford musclecars-kicking ricer butt into the 21st century- and beyond
 

or just wait 2 years, and the MR2 will be rotted out in the junkyard !

you can beat them by attrition- they are made from recycled 1958 Frigidaire
freezers...




"William W Western" wrote in message
news:mskIi.203766$fJ5.200813@pd7urf1no...
these ponies prefer their rice well done...
I had to dust a few ricers with the Fiero GT the other
night.
Some kind of Hondas with fart can exhausts. Still, you have to give the
local Phillipino lads some credit for their enthusiasm at wrenching their
(pride and joy) wheels.
Now those last gen MR2s can give me fits. I need a Northstar V8
organ
transplant.

vintage Noodles mental illness-kicking his own ass into the 21st century- and beyond
 

On Thu, 20 Sep 2007 06:46:11 -0400, "trippin-2-8-trak"
wrote:

or just wait 2 years, and the MR2 will be rotted out in the junkyard !

you can beat them by attrition- they are made from recycled 1958 Frigidaire
freezers... snip

Speaking of rust...how's the rust lobsters doing on your Potty-tank,
Noodles? Funny how my Honda (Noodles never gets the year right
because of mental illness) doesn't have ANY rust anywhere on it.

Did you get the 2002 Saturn WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGON because rust pimples
were poking though that welfare Grand Prick that you make Cheryl
drive? Are you going to sell your Potty-tank on FleaBay to pay your
back taxes?

vintage Nudo shitbox-kicking his own butt into the 21st century- and beyond
 

On Thu, 20 Sep 2007 03:04:08 -0000, ticktock wrote:

The closest Nudo will get to any Shelby is this:

http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/9...0paintema2.jpg snip

LMAO!!!!!! A perfect Noodles car...an Omni/Horizon **** box. Even
the K cars (and their Iacoccaized "EEK" cousins) were better than
these hapless turds.

vintage Ford musclecars-kicking ricer butt into the 21st century- and beyond
 

On Sep 19, 9:57 pm, "William W Western" wrote:
these ponies prefer their rice well done...

I had to dust a few ricers with the Fiero GT the other night.
Some kind of Hondas with fart can exhausts.


can you imagine the horror and embarassment, of having to drive one
of those Jap ****oboxes every day ??

the Yups buy that new rice crap, then they come home and watch the
vintage musclecar auctions on TV, and drool

vintage Ford musclecars-kicking ricer butt into the 21st century- and beyond
 

On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 03:48:35 -0700, trippin-2-8-track
wrote:

the Yups buy that new rice crap, then they come home and watch the
vintage musclecar auctions on TV, and drool snip

Charlie Nudo drools whenever he's on his meds. That's why he won't
take them.

vintage Ford musclecars-kicking ricer butt into the 21st century- and beyond
 

can you imagine the horror and embarassment, of having to drive one
of those Jap ****oboxes every day ??
the Yups buy that new rice crap, then they come home and watch the
vintage musclecar auctions on TV, and drool
I love the 2nd gen MR2 with the turbo. As I recall it pumped
out 200 horses by the early 90s. At possibly a third of the weight of those
1960/70 Weightmobiles, I would not dismiss their performance so lightly.
More than the Fiero can handle anyway. Not to say if Pontiac had not pulled
the plug on the Fiero (some say due to Chevrolet Divisions worry it was
cutting in on 'Vette sales. Doubtful, more like it was costing more to make
them then they could sell them for) it would not have been competitive by
then as well. Since an LT1 fits in the Fiero's engine compartment I would
think the rogues at Pontiac had their tape measures out at some point.

vintage Ford musclecars-kicking ricer butt into the 21st century- and beyond
 

On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 18:08:44 GMT, "William W Western"
wrote:

can you imagine the horror and embarassment, of having to drive one
of those Jap ****oboxes every day ??
the Yups buy that new rice crap, then they come home and watch the
vintage musclecar auctions on TV, and drool
I love the 2nd gen MR2 with the turbo. As I recall it pumped
out 200 horses by the early 90s. At possibly a third of the weight of those
1960/70 Weightmobiles, I would not dismiss their performance so lightly.
More than the Fiero can handle anyway. Not to say if Pontiac had not pulled
the plug on the Fiero (some say due to Chevrolet Divisions worry it was
cutting in on 'Vette sales. Doubtful, more like it was costing more to make
them then they could sell them for) it would not have been competitive by
then as well. Since an LT1 fits in the Fiero's engine compartment I would
think the rogues at Pontiac had their tape measures out at some point. snip

The Fiero project was hated by Roger Smith and his minions at GM HQ on
Woodword Ave., because Pontiac (then still a "division") had done a
"stealth" development job developing the car, just like all GM
divisions did back in the Sloan era, a business model which had fallen
out of favor with Smith early on. Pontiac had pitched the idea of a
"commuter car" made of lightweight materials that got
better-than-industry-average economy and would be easy to park and
maneuver in urban settings. What they DIDN'T tell HQ was that it was
to be, in reality, a sporty two seater with an option for the tough
(if not impressively efficient) Chevrolet 60° V6. Thus, by the time
the car was ready for market. the clueless Smith and his bean counter
idiots found out they'd been had.

Al Sloan organized GM in the '30s to not be a single car company, á la
FoMoCo or Chrysler, but rather a collection of semi-autonomous
"divisions" that worked independently to develop product, going to the
central headquarters mostly only for financial support. This is the
business model that produced so many improvements, not only to cars,
but also brought us the first mass produced diesel-electric freight
locomotive (1939), the first readily-portable and
automotive-applicable 2 stroke diesel (1938), along with many other
consumer and industrial goods. Once the industry hit maturation in
the 1960s, though, and Al Sloan was gone for good, the pigs at HQ got
greedy and set their sights upon depowering the "divisions." This was
the "attack of the bean counters" that culminated in the ascension of
Roger Smith to GM's top management position, probably the worst CEO GM
ever had. Similar takeovers by bean counting idiots happened all over
US industry at the time, sending US manufacturing into a tailspin from
which it has never recovered.

Smith, following "King Henry" Ford's belief that it was "mini cars,
mini profits" in the US, refused to fund the Fiero at first. Pontiac
brass kept coming back in committees trying to sell the project, and
were to convince Smith and his minions that it would be an
experimental car using lightweight plastic body panels and other
untried technology to provide an economy car. Little did Smith know
what Pontiac was REALLY up to...a direct assault against Toyota's
Celica and "Mr. Two".

Sales were laggardly due to a screw-up that caused a rash of fuel line
failures on early 4 banger versions, which caused a huge recall and
much adverse publicity. Still, the car, especially in its 2M6 form,
had a lot of fans, but sales still weren't what Smith was looking
for...another Iacocca/Mustang type of breakout smash hit. He ordered
the car killed just when sales were starting to pick up! To reward to
Pontiac managers for their trouble, Smith unofficially disbanded
Pontiac Motor Division entirely and threw the remains into The GM
Canada Group. From then on, all Pontiacs were GM-corporate carbon
copy, badge-engineered ****boxes, as they are today.

Next failure to go to the shredder: The unwanted G6, a huge sales
fiasco. Also gone next year: The failed GTO, a badge engineered
Holden Monaro with a Chevy V8. Waggoner, aware of all the past
politics of GM and knowing that, in their weakened condition, they can
no longer have "divisions" competing with each other, will probably
retire the Pontiac marque soon. Waggoner's goal is to have two or
three car brands, tops...Chevrolet for the low price line, Buick for
mid-price and Cadillac for the top. He started by getting rid of the
Oldsmobile brand, even though, as a waning separate entity, they did
hit the market with a stunningly nice luxury car, the Aurora, which is
quickly becoming a collectable. Too little, too late, too much bad
blood, too many ****ty cars...Olds, Pontiac and GMC Truck badges will
be gone probably by 2012; their "divisions" have already been gone for
about 20 years. Last real GMC light truck ever built was in 1962;
since then, they've been "badge-engineered" Chevies. It was with the
GMC that GM proved that the public wasn't bright enough to call their
bluff regarding "badge engineering," and it started doing so in
earnest in the mid-'70s...until they got caught and sued by a ****ed
off Oldsmobile buyer!

Lee Iacocca, in his new book, very neatly lays this all out in
spades...there's simply no ROOM left in the US market for the "Sloan
model" anymore. He agreed with DC about getting rid of Plymouth,
since toward the end, Plymouth and Dodge products were only competing
with each other, not with the Japs or GM. He also questions the
wisdom of keeping Ford's moribund Mercury line around anymore. Merc,
having been around since 1939 as Henry Ford's answer to Buick, was a
strong brand up until the '80s, and has been in the same decline that
killed off Oldsmobile since then. "King Henry II" previously had also
had an answer to GM's Oldsmobile in 1955...it was the Edsel...and we
all know what happened to THAT when it hit the showrooms in late
'57..."There's a horse collar on the front end of that car!" "That
car has pussy for a grille!" "You go to blow the horn and it throws
the transmission in reverse!" An unmitigated disaster, but not all
Ford's fault, either. '58 was a dismal year for the US economy as it
fell into the "Eisenhower Recession"...everyone was in bad shape that
year.

"King Henry" did worse to the Edsel than Smith did to the Fiero. One
year after its introduction, gone were all the "luxury" touches that
put Edsel squarely in Oldsmobile's marketplace...gone was the 410" MEL
engine (no great loss there, for sure) and in was the
clackity-clacking Ford 6! Different versions of the FE engine filled
the gap in V8s. "King Henry" had taken the Edsel and tried to make it
a cheaper Mercury! Why buy an Edsel, when you could get the same
things in a Ford Fairlane 500, or get bigger engines and more luxury
with a Merc? Had Ford been a little more organized on the Edsel
project, and hadn't "King Henry" **** his pants during the '58
recession, Oldsmobile could've been in serious trouble by around 1962.
But remember...this was the same goof that tried numerous times to
kill the Falcon, the Mustang, the "Mustage II" rebadging of the Pinto,
and several other money makers for FoMoCo.

Moral of the story: When stupid people have a lot of power, bad
things happen to everyone around them.