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Irish independence?
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Irish independence?
"Paul Herber" wrote in message ell.net... http://stamps.ebay.co.uk/ well, I thought Ireland was part of Europe. You are right, but Turkey is not. Tony -- Regards, Paul Herber, Sandrila Ltd. http://www.sandrila.co.uk/ ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
Turkey. Was: Irish independence?
"A.E. Gelat" wrote in message
... "Paul Herber" wrote in message ell.net... http://stamps.ebay.co.uk/ well, I thought Ireland was part of Europe. You are right, but Turkey is not. Tony Isn't it? "Turkey (Turkish: Türkiye), known officially as the Republic of Turkey (Türkiye Cumhuriyeti (help·info)), is a Eurasian country that stretches across the Anatolian peninsula in southwest Asia and the Balkan region of southeastern Europe." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkey Eurasia is an immense landmass covering about 53,990,000 km² (or about 10.6%) of the Earth's surface. Often reckoned as a single continent, Eurasia comprises the traditional continents of Europe and Asia, concepts which date back to classical antiquity and the borders for which are somewhat arbitrary. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurasia -- Victor Manta ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Philatelic Webmasters Organization: http://pwmo.org/ Art on Stamps: http://artonstamps.org/ Romania by Stamps: http://marci-postale.com/ Communism on Stamps: http://reds-on.postalstamps.biz/ Spanish North Africa: http://www.sna-on.postalstamps.biz/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
Turkey. Was: Irish independence?
"Victor Manta" wrote in message ... "Turkey (Turkish: Türkiye), known officially as the Republic of Turkey (Türkiye Cumhuriyeti (help·info)), is a Eurasian country that stretches across the Anatolian peninsula in southwest Asia and the Balkan region of southeastern Europe." I always had trouble at school grasping timelines, and made an effort to bring chunks of time into perspective. Turkey, I always used a date of 700AD as a time when "The Pesian Empire" split and Turkey or the Byzantine empire came into prominence. from the Penguin book of medieval history shows AD650 http://cjoint.com/data/jvceCDQShL.htm It was only c200 years later, the Vikings rowed, pulled,sailed their longships across Europe, down the Dnieper and traded with Byzantium. (I welcome any corrections to my amateur history) -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
Turkey. Was: Irish independence?
"Victor Manta" wrote in message ... "A.E. Gelat" wrote in message ... "Paul Herber" wrote in message ell.net... http://stamps.ebay.co.uk/ well, I thought Ireland was part of Europe. You are right, but Turkey is not. Tony Isn't it? No, it isn't. Without looking up the exact areas, I estimate that part of Turkey in Europe at about 3%. That does not make it European. Spain has five small exclaves in Africa, but that does not make it African. Tony "Turkey (Turkish: Türkiye), known officially as the Republic of Turkey (Türkiye Cumhuriyeti (help·info)), is a Eurasian country that stretches across the Anatolian peninsula in southwest Asia and the Balkan region of southeastern Europe." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkey Eurasia is an immense landmass covering about 53,990,000 km² (or about 10.6%) of the Earth's surface. Often reckoned as a single continent, Eurasia comprises the traditional continents of Europe and Asia, concepts which date back to classical antiquity and the borders for which are somewhat arbitrary. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurasia -- Victor Manta ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Philatelic Webmasters Organization: http://pwmo.org/ Art on Stamps: http://artonstamps.org/ Romania by Stamps: http://marci-postale.com/ Communism on Stamps: http://reds-on.postalstamps.biz/ Spanish North Africa: http://www.sna-on.postalstamps.biz/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
Turkey. Was: Irish independence?
"A.E. Gelat" wrote in message
... "Victor Manta" wrote in message ... "A.E. Gelat" wrote in message ... "Paul Herber" wrote in message ell.net... http://stamps.ebay.co.uk/ well, I thought Ireland was part of Europe. You are right, but Turkey is not. Tony Isn't it? No, it isn't. Without looking up the exact areas, I estimate that part of Turkey in Europe at about 3%. That does not make it European. Spain has five small exclaves in Africa, but that does not make it African. Tony Your estimation seems to be very good, congratulations! See: "The Turks of even the Ottoman period had always their sights towards Europe and their Western border extended up to Vienna in the sixteenth century during the reign of Suleyman the Magnificent. Modern day Turkey has only a 3 per cent of its territory in Europe." http://www.pakistanlink.com/hussaini/11152002.html But is it relevant? Or, in other words, which proportion of a country should be part of Europe in order to be considered European too? 5%, 10%, 100% or even more? ;-) It is obvious, at least to me, that the Spanish enclaves in Africa aren't European just because they are Spanish. For example GB, Spain, Portugal, France, The Netherlands, possesed colonies in America but this didn't make them part of Europe either. But a part of Turkey is on the European continent, and this a geographical fact. Of course, this is not the main argument for the admission of Turkey (or any other European countries, like the big Russia or Ukraina) in the EU, but it helps a bit. And last but not not least, a country can be in the very middle of Europe and hasn't to be EU member, this by the wish of the majority of its population. I speak of course about the country where I live, Switzerland. -- Victor Manta ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Philatelic Webmasters Organization: http://pwmo.org/ Art on Stamps: http://artonstamps.org/ Romania by Stamps: http://marci-postale.com/ Communism on Stamps: http://reds-on.postalstamps.biz/ Spanish North Africa: http://www.sna-on.postalstamps.biz/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
Turkey. Was: Irish independence?
"Alan" wrote in message
... Israel has a football/soccer team in the European Cup this year. French departments an territories elect deputies and senators to the French national assembly, including French Guiana, Guadeloupe Martinique, Réunion, French Polynesia, New Caledonia and Wallis and Futuna Islands. They also elect representatives to the EU parliament. It would seem the definition of France and Europe is somewhat elastic! But for Ireland - maybe the old song The Sea Around Us needs to be recast? cho: The sea, oh the sea is the gradh geal mo croide* Long may it stay between England and me It's a sure guarantee that some hour we'll be free Oh, thank God we're surrounded by water. Ebay would have 'England' replaced by Europe. |
Turkey. Was: Irish independence?
The same elasticity goes for the Dutch Antilles. Aruba is considered Dutch
territory, part of the Dutch province North-Holland; I'm not sure about the other islands but I tend to think it's the same... groetjes, Rein Op Sat, 22 Sep 2007 14:42:25 +0200 schreef Gazza : "Alan" wrote in message ... Israel has a football/soccer team in the European Cup this year. French departments an territories elect deputies and senators to the French national assembly, including French Guiana, Guadeloupe Martinique, Réunion, French Polynesia, New Caledonia and Wallis and Futuna Islands. They also elect representatives to the EU parliament. It would seem the definition of France and Europe is somewhat elastic! -- Gemaakt met Opera's revolutionaire e-mailprogramma: http://www.opera.com/mail/ |
Turkey. Was: Irish independence?
"Alan" wrote in message
... Israel has a football/soccer team in the European Cup this year. Actually each time, and also in basketball. The reason is obvious, and it has nothing to do with the geographical location. BTW, there were voices that proposed that Israel should candidate for the EU admission. As one can see also from other comments, the geographical location is not very relevant. For example "...Grĝnland is a self-governing Danish province .... Though geographically and ethnically an Arctic island nation associated with the continent of North America, politically and historically Greenland is closely tied to Europe, specifically Norway and Denmark." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenland -- Victor Manta ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Philatelic Webmasters Organization: http://pwmo.org/ Art on Stamps: http://artonstamps.org/ Romania by Stamps: http://marci-postale.com/ Communism on Stamps: http://reds-on.postalstamps.biz/ Spanish North Africa: http://www.sna-on.postalstamps.biz/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
Turkey. Was: Irish independence?
"Alan" wrote in message
... Victor Manta wrote: "Alan" wrote in message ... Israel has a football/soccer team in the European Cup this year. Actually each time, and also in basketball. The reason is obvious, and it has nothing to do with the geographical location. Sorry, why obvious ? Alan, you can eventually remember this event: "The Munich massacre occurred during the 1972 Summer Olympics in Munich, West Germany, when members of the Israeli Olympic team were taken hostage by the Palestinian terrorist group Black September, a group with ties to Yasser Arafat's Fatah organization. By the end of the ordeal, the group had murdered eleven Israeli athletes and one German police officer." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munich_massacre Now, if something like that could happen in Munich, it is not difficult to imagine what could happen if an Israeli sport team had to play in some of its neighboring countries. In order to prevent such dangers, the sport teams from Israel compete with the European ones, as well in Europe as in Israel. Back to our topics, I'm not aware of postal stamps that commemorate the victims of the Munich massacre but I suppose that some exist. -- Victor Manta ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Philatelic Webmasters Organization: http://pwmo.org/ Art on Stamps: http://artonstamps.org/ Romania by Stamps: http://marci-postale.com/ Communism on Stamps: http://reds-on.postalstamps.biz/ Spanish North Africa: http://www.sna-on.postalstamps.biz/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
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