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Franklin PCGS FBL or not? Look and decide
Recently I bought two 1955 Franklins graded MS64 by PCGS.
One is designated FBL, the other is not. Even better, the serial numbers are sequential, which means (I guess) that they were graded one right after the other. I've posted pictures of the Bell Lines at http://www2.SPSU.edu/math/edwards/fbl.jpg Take a look, and tell us which is which. I'm curious whether people think there is a large or even discernable difference. Both coins are nicely toned. And I will give them both as a prize to whoever figures out which is which is which.......NOT!!! Steve E. |
Franklin PCGS FBL or not? Look and decide
"steve edwards" wrote in message ... Recently I bought two 1955 Franklins graded MS64 by PCGS. One is designated FBL, the other is not. Even better, the serial numbers are sequential, which means (I guess) that they were graded one right after the other. I've posted pictures of the Bell Lines at http://www2.SPSU.edu/math/edwards/fbl.jpg Take a look, and tell us which is which. I'm curious whether people think there is a large or even discernable difference. Both coins are nicely toned. And I will give them both as a prize to whoever figures out which is which is which.......NOT!!! Steve E. I am guessing the top Franklin (A) loses the designation on both sides of the bell crack. The bottom Franklin (B) is the FBL although I would say not a strong one and not all FBLs are created equal. Bill |
Franklin PCGS FBL or not? Look and decide
I would guess "A". The bell lines on the left side of the "B" coin
seem a little less distinct to me. steve edwards wrote: Recently I bought two 1955 Franklins graded MS64 by PCGS. One is designated FBL, the other is not. Even better, the serial numbers are sequential, which means (I guess) that they were graded one right after the other. I've posted pictures of the Bell Lines at http://www2.SPSU.edu/math/edwards/fbl.jpg Take a look, and tell us which is which. I'm curious whether people think there is a large or even discernable difference. Both coins are nicely toned. And I will give them both as a prize to whoever figures out which is which is which.......NOT!!! Steve E. |
Franklin PCGS FBL or not? Look and decide
And the answer is...........Nope, I'm not telling yet, exspecially since
so far the vote is 1 to 1. Bill Krummel wrote: "steve edwards" wrote in message ... Recently I bought two 1955 Franklins graded MS64 by PCGS. One is designated FBL, the other is not. Even better, the serial numbers are sequential, which means (I guess) that they were graded one right after the other. I've posted pictures of the Bell Lines at http://www2.SPSU.edu/math/edwards/fbl.jpg Take a look, and tell us which is which. I'm curious whether people think there is a large or even discernable difference. Both coins are nicely toned. And I will give them both as a prize to whoever figures out which is which is which.......NOT!!! Steve E. I am guessing the top Franklin (A) loses the designation on both sides of the bell crack. The bottom Franklin (B) is the FBL although I would say not a strong one and not all FBLs are created equal. Bill |
Franklin PCGS FBL or not? Look and decide
"Bill Krummel" wrote in message ... "steve edwards" wrote in message ... Recently I bought two 1955 Franklins graded MS64 by PCGS. One is designated FBL, the other is not. Even better, the serial numbers are sequential, which means (I guess) that they were graded one right after the other. I've posted pictures of the Bell Lines at http://www2.SPSU.edu/math/edwards/fbl.jpg Take a look, and tell us which is which. I'm curious whether people think there is a large or even discernable difference. Both coins are nicely toned. And I will give them both as a prize to whoever figures out which is which is which.......NOT!!! Steve E. I am guessing the top Franklin (A) loses the designation on both sides of the bell crack. The bottom Franklin (B) is the FBL although I would say not a strong one and not all FBLs are created equal. Bill Since i am trying to learn...i went and looked..and decided it was B....but not for the same reason....I thought the lower set of 'lines' on the left side of A did not go all the way to the edge of the bell...That said...'what do i know?"... Jorge |
Franklin PCGS FBL or not? Look and decide
I say 'A' is designated at FBL, while 'B' is not.
-- "The world is a dangerous place to live, not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who don't do anything about it." Albert Einstein "steve edwards" wrote in message ... Recently I bought two 1955 Franklins graded MS64 by PCGS. One is designated FBL, the other is not. Even better, the serial numbers are sequential, which means (I guess) that they were graded one right after the other. I've posted pictures of the Bell Lines at http://www2.SPSU.edu/math/edwards/fbl.jpg Take a look, and tell us which is which. I'm curious whether people think there is a large or even discernable difference. Both coins are nicely toned. And I will give them both as a prize to whoever figures out which is which is which.......NOT!!! Steve E. |
Franklin PCGS FBL or not? Look and decide
B
I always wonder about grading criteria, ever since I learned about the "first strike" sham. There's got to be a Standard dosen't there? mk "steve edwards" wrote in message ... Recently I bought two 1955 Franklins graded MS64 by PCGS. One is designated FBL, the other is not. Even better, the serial numbers are sequential, which means (I guess) that they were graded one right after the other. I've posted pictures of the Bell Lines at http://www2.SPSU.edu/math/edwards/fbl.jpg Take a look, and tell us which is which. I'm curious whether people think there is a large or even discernable difference. Both coins are nicely toned. And I will give them both as a prize to whoever figures out which is which is which.......NOT!!! Steve E. |
Franklin PCGS FBL or not? Look and decide
steve edwards wrote:
Recently I bought two 1955 Franklins graded MS64 by PCGS. One is designated FBL, the other is not. Even better, the serial numbers are sequential, which means (I guess) that they were graded one right after the other. I've posted pictures of the Bell Lines at http://www2.SPSU.edu/math/edwards/fbl.jpg Take a look, and tell us which is which. I'm curious whether people think there is a large or even discernable difference. Both coins are nicely toned. And I will give them both as a prize to whoever figures out which is which is which.......NOT!!! Steve E. A, even though by my definition, neither would qualify. Mike |
Franklin PCGS FBL or not? Look and decide
"steve edwards" wrote in message ... Recently I bought two 1955 Franklins graded MS64 by PCGS. One is designated FBL, the other is not. Even better, the serial numbers are sequential, which means (I guess) that they were graded one right after the other. I've posted pictures of the Bell Lines at http://www2.SPSU.edu/math/edwards/fbl.jpg Take a look, and tell us which is which. I'm curious whether people think there is a large or even discernable difference. Both coins are nicely toned. And I will give them both as a prize to whoever figures out which is which is which.......NOT!!! Steve E. A - PCGS is a litlle loose on FBL. Steve |
Franklin PCGS FBL or not? Look and decide
I would go with B, but my second choice would be A!
Bruce steve edwards wrote: Recently I bought two 1955 Franklins graded MS64 by PCGS. One is designated FBL, the other is not. Even better, the serial numbers are sequential, which means (I guess) that they were graded one right after the other. I've posted pictures of the Bell Lines at http://www2.SPSU.edu/math/edwards/fbl.jpg Take a look, and tell us which is which. I'm curious whether people think there is a large or even discernable difference. Both coins are nicely toned. And I will give them both as a prize to whoever figures out which is which is which.......NOT!!! Steve E. |
Franklin PCGS FBL or not? Look and decide
steve edwards wrote in
: Recently I bought two 1955 Franklins graded MS64 by PCGS. One is designated FBL, the other is not. Even better, the serial numbers are sequential, which means (I guess) that they were graded one right after the other. I've posted pictures of the Bell Lines at http://www2.SPSU.edu/math/edwards/fbl.jpg Take a look, and tell us which is which. I'm curious whether people think there is a large or even discernable difference. Both coins are nicely toned. And I will give them both as a prize to whoever figures out which is which is which.......NOT!!! Steve E. I would say that 'A' got the FBL grade. 'B' seems a bit weak on the left side. But, from what I see in these pics, I'm not sure that either really makes it. -- Eric Babula Milwaukee, Wisconsin, USA |
Franklin PCGS FBL or not? Look and decide
Eric Babula wrote: steve edwards wrote in : Recently I bought two 1955 Franklins graded MS64 by PCGS. One is designated FBL, the other is not. Even better, the serial numbers are sequential, which means (I guess) that they were graded one right after the other. I've posted pictures of the Bell Lines at http://www2.SPSU.edu/math/edwards/fbl.jpg Take a look, and tell us which is which. I'm curious whether people think there is a large or even discernable difference. Both coins are nicely toned. And I will give them both as a prize to whoever figures out which is which is which.......NOT!!! Steve E. I would say that 'A' got the FBL grade. 'B' seems a bit weak on the left side. But, from what I see in these pics, I'm not sure that either really makes it. -- Eric Babula Milwaukee, Wisconsin, USA Personally, having collected Franklins for many years, I don't see a FBL there at all. I dislike PCGS's use of the designation, much preferring NGC's tighter standards. I'll say that PCGS called "B" a FBL Franklin. John |
Franklin PCGS FBL or not? Look and decide
I pick A. The critical point is where the lines approach the bell crack, and there is more disturbance on B at that point. Regards, Tom |
Franklin PCGS FBL or not? Look and decide
On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 22:27:12 -0500, steve edwards
wrote: Recently I bought two 1955 Franklins graded MS64 by PCGS. One is designated FBL, the other is not. Even better, the serial numbers are sequential, which means (I guess) that they were graded one right after the other. I've posted pictures of the Bell Lines at http://www2.SPSU.edu/math/edwards/fbl.jpg Take a look, and tell us which is which. I'm curious whether people think there is a large or even discernable difference. Both coins are nicely toned. And I will give them both as a prize to whoever figures out which is which is which.......NOT!!! Steve E. "A" is FBL...... GaRY |
Franklin PCGS FBL or not? Look and decide
"steve edwards" wrote in message ... Recently I bought two 1955 Franklins graded MS64 by PCGS. One is designated FBL, the other is not. Even better, the serial numbers are sequential, which means (I guess) that they were graded one right after the other. I've posted pictures of the Bell Lines at http://www2.SPSU.edu/math/edwards/fbl.jpg Take a look, and tell us which is which. I'm curious whether people think there is a large or even discernable difference. Both coins are nicely toned. And I will give them both as a prize to whoever figures out which is which is which.......NOT!!! Steve E. Neither has a FBL but they might get one. The A has a big hits across the top and the bottom lines--so you can't see what's underneath that area because it was obliterated by the contact marks. But they also take into consideration the entire other 99% of the coins strike so they will hand out a FBL even if the actuall bell lines may be a little weak. So I would need to see the whole coin. The B is your typical goo-filled or die abraded strike. You need to see sharp details that are fully struck--like the 'Pass and Stow' needs to be strong, the heraldic eagle needs to have strong feathers and there should be 3 hairs visible on his side burns. |
Franklin PCGS FBL or not? Look and decide
"bri" wrote in message nk.net... "steve edwards" wrote in message ... Recently I bought two 1955 Franklins graded MS64 by PCGS. One is designated FBL, the other is not. Even better, the serial numbers are sequential, which means (I guess) that they were graded one right after the other. I've posted pictures of the Bell Lines at http://www2.SPSU.edu/math/edwards/fbl.jpg Take a look, and tell us which is which. I'm curious whether people think there is a large or even discernable difference. Both coins are nicely toned. And I will give them both as a prize to whoever figures out which is which is which.......NOT!!! Steve E. Neither has a FBL but they might get one. The A has a big hits across the top and the bottom lines--so you can't see what's underneath that area because it was obliterated by the contact marks. But they also take into consideration the entire other 99% of the coins strike so they will hand out a FBL even if the actuall bell lines may be a little weak. So I would need to see the whole coin. The B is your typical goo-filled or die abraded strike. You need to see sharp details that are fully struck--like the 'Pass and Stow' needs to be strong, the heraldic eagle needs to have strong feathers and there should be 3 hairs visible on his side burns. Forgot to add that PCGS allows hits on the top lines. The problem with NGC's tougher requirements--that is both sets of lines need to be totally mark free and razor sharp-- is that they also are not as harsh in their overall grading--seen some MS64's that are no better than MS63's in PCGS slabs. There's a lot of PCGS 64 slabbed Frankies that are NCG 65's. The difference in prices between some 64's and 65's is huge. |
Franklin PCGS FBL or not? Look and decide
On Wed, 15 Nov 2006 04:15:43 +0000, bri wrote:
"bri" wrote in message nk.net... "steve edwards" wrote in message ... Recently I bought two 1955 Franklins graded MS64 by PCGS. One is designated FBL, the other is not. Even better, the serial numbers are sequential, which means (I guess) that they were graded one right after the other. I've posted pictures of the Bell Lines at http://www2.SPSU.edu/math/edwards/fbl.jpg Take a look, and tell us which is which. I'm curious whether people think there is a large or even discernable difference. Both coins are nicely toned. And I will give them both as a prize to whoever figures out which is which is which.......NOT!!! Steve E. Neither has a FBL but they might get one. The A has a big hits across the top and the bottom lines--so you can't see what's underneath that area because it was obliterated by the contact marks. But they also take into consideration the entire other 99% of the coins strike so they will hand out a FBL even if the actuall bell lines may be a little weak. So I would need to see the whole coin. The B is your typical goo-filled or die abraded strike. You need to see sharp details that are fully struck--like the 'Pass and Stow' needs to be strong, the heraldic eagle needs to have strong feathers and there should be 3 hairs visible on his side burns. Forgot to add that PCGS allows hits on the top lines. The problem with NGC's tougher requirements--that is both sets of lines need to be totally mark free and razor sharp-- is that they also are not as harsh in their overall grading--seen some MS64's that are no better than MS63's in PCGS slabs. There's a lot of PCGS 64 slabbed Frankies that are NCG 65's. The difference in prices between some 64's and 65's is huge. I've had several pcgs slabbed franklins MS64's that no way were 64's. I don't buy the whole pcgs is better than ngc anyway, but I definitely don't agree on the franklins. Then again, I'm not a big fan of slabs either. :-) -- dw -- dw |
Franklin PCGS FBL or not? Look and decide
On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 22:27:12 -0500, steve edwards wrote:
Recently I bought two 1955 Franklins graded MS64 by PCGS. One is designated FBL, the other is not. Even better, the serial numbers are sequential, which means (I guess) that they were graded one right after the other. I've posted pictures of the Bell Lines at http://www2.SPSU.edu/math/edwards/fbl.jpg Take a look, and tell us which is which. I'm curious whether people think there is a large or even discernable difference. Both coins are nicely toned. And I will give them both as a prize to whoever figures out which is which is which.......NOT!!! Steve E. A for PCGS Neither for NGC -- dw |
The answer
A got the FBL designation, B did not. Everyone who answered
correctly is obviously qualified to go and apply for a job at PCGS. Personally I don't see a significant difference between the two. Thanks for your responses. Steve E. |
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